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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Thotas" data-source="post: 6049430" data-attributes="member: 18974"><p>Oh, they do.  3.5 introduced a lot of conjuration spells that provided damage, though (the various "orb" spells in particular) and since they created the thing and then you nonmagically attacked with it, there was no SR -- while an evocation would create and apply in one operation, so the application was part of the spell so SR applied.  It was seen by many as a cheap end run that was unfair and unbalanced.  The wizard that I ran who had a orb spell in the spellbook didn't really run into any SR type opponents in her career, so it didn't make much difference in my experience, but others had some real problems with it from what I hear.</p></blockquote><p></p>