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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Terath Ninir" data-source="post: 2201991" data-attributes="member: 47">One of my favourite specialists to play is the diviner.  Why?  No one else plays them.  However, there's a darn good reason no one plays them.  They suck.  The divination spells available to wizarads are *terrible*.  I can't even count the number of times the rest of the party has asked me, "Well, do you have a spell we can use to figure out this puzzle?  No?  Darn it all to heck!"Many of the best divination spells are available only to clerics: augury, divination, commune, and speak with dead especially.  Sure, if your DM allows it, divine oracle is *the* prestige class for diviners and gives you access to the first three.  However, I think you shouldn't have to take a prestige class to make a base class effective.The existing spells that diviners have are somewhat less than inspiring.  True strike?  Lovely for all those warriors who take one level of sorcerer -- not so inspiring for a dedicated diviner.  The worst one by far, though, is legend lore.  Gah!  It is *much less* effective than a knowledge skill.  After hours, days, or weeks, all you get is some useless riddle that you have to then waste time decyphering.  And they call that worth a 5th level slot?  I think not.  not to mention the other end: if you're the DM, you have to come up with the dumb riddle, which is even more annoying.There are some flavour changes I'd like to make on the diviner to make them a little more fun.  Giving them the bardic lore ability, for one -- it's not that powerful, but it's right up their alley.  But the big problem is the spell list.  Diviners need spells that they can actually use to solve puzzles.  I don't want to steal the cleric spells; clerics have few enough interesting things they can do.My other problem is my bad memory.  Every time we play, with me as player or as a DM over a diviner, we come across a situation where we could use a spell.  Invariably, I don't make any notes on it, so I lose all the best ideas.So I'm making a shout out for ideas.  Spells you think diviners should have.  If you know of good published spells, I'm open to that, too.  I don't own everything, but I own a lot of books.The main thing is that diviners should have a core of spells that help them figure out puzzles, and help figure out what to do next in an adventure.</blockquote>

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