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<blockquote data-quote="CapnZapp" data-source="post: 7613893" data-attributes="member: 12731">Saying &quot;I don't think TWF is so poor it needs improvement&quot; is fine.Saying &quot;since you get to use your bonus action with TWF, it's actually fine&quot; is, on the other hand complete nonsense of course.If TWF can only match other styles by using up the bonus action, it is trivial to conclude it is actually far worse than those other styles.After all, finding a good use for your bonus action is perhaps the minmaxers first priority in 5E, so you should assume it gets used frequently.At level 11, what TWF really needs, is that the extra attack becomes a free action instead of a bonus action, freeing up the bonus action to enable the character to go on the same hunt for &quot;best use of bonus action&quot; as everybody else.(The suggestion to make the bonus action yield two off-hand attack instead of one is along the same lines and not too shabby, if simpler and more constrictive)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="CapnZapp, post: 7613893, member: 12731"] Saying "I don't think TWF is so poor it needs improvement" is fine. Saying "since you get to use your bonus action with TWF, it's actually fine" is, on the other hand complete nonsense of course. If TWF can only match other styles by using up the bonus action, it is trivial to conclude it is actually far worse than those other styles. After all, finding a good use for your bonus action is perhaps the minmaxers first priority in 5E, so you should assume it gets used frequently. At level 11, what TWF really needs, is that the extra attack becomes a free action instead of a bonus action, freeing up the bonus action to enable the character to go on the same hunt for "best use of bonus action" as everybody else. (The suggestion to make the bonus action yield two off-hand attack instead of one is along the same lines and not too shabby, if simpler and more constrictive) [/QUOTE]

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