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<blockquote data-quote="FrogReaver" data-source="post: 7620849" data-attributes="member: 6795602">The issue you seem to be overlooking is that most of the bonus action abilities that scale damage scale by number of attacks.&nbsp; Both Hunter's mark and GWM/SS do.So if you keep the extra attack but remove the bonus action cost:1.&nbsp; Classes like rangers start never looking at Great weapons or sword and shield again because TWF is better.2.&nbsp; It also becomes problematic to add in a -5/+10 feat to balance TWF with GWM/SS because TWF already has an inherent extra attack included and retains his bonus action to cast a useful buff (even if that buff is just hex/hunter's mark, or as currently written he could use spears and stack Polearm Master's bonus action attack on top of his free off hand attack).&nbsp; IMO, Removing the bonus action makes TWF much harder to balance.&nbsp; To fix the bad balance created by removing the bonus action requires a huge change to other rules or a ton of explicit exclusions in it's new text about exactly what bonus actions can be used with it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="FrogReaver, post: 7620849, member: 6795602"] The issue you seem to be overlooking is that most of the bonus action abilities that scale damage scale by number of attacks. Both Hunter's mark and GWM/SS do. So if you keep the extra attack but remove the bonus action cost: 1. Classes like rangers start never looking at Great weapons or sword and shield again because TWF is better. 2. It also becomes problematic to add in a -5/+10 feat to balance TWF with GWM/SS because TWF already has an inherent extra attack included and retains his bonus action to cast a useful buff (even if that buff is just hex/hunter's mark, or as currently written he could use spears and stack Polearm Master's bonus action attack on top of his free off hand attack). IMO, Removing the bonus action makes TWF much harder to balance. To fix the bad balance created by removing the bonus action requires a huge change to other rules or a ton of explicit exclusions in it's new text about exactly what bonus actions can be used with it. [/QUOTE]

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