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<blockquote data-quote="howandwhy99" data-source="post: 6730071" data-attributes="member: 3192">&quot;Skilled play&quot;? &quot;code breaking&quot; Do you believe in either of those things or just like air quoting? Deciphering the mental pattern of a game is a mental gaming. It requires actual abilityPerforming the physical pattern of a game is physical gaming. It too requires actual abilityInventing anything isn't a game at all.And most importantly, the method is the details. There is no difference.No DM is &quot;managing backstory&quot;. DMs are expressing the design behind the screen. Generating the map, the stats, everything is calculating the code of the game from algorithm to function - to map.The goal of D&amp;D (most gaming really) is to figure out the pattern of the game to achieve points within it. High XP scores in D&amp;D represent highly proficient players. If you have any desire to be good at D&amp;D as a player, you need to pay attention to the what the DM is saying. Or likely a monster will come along and kill your character while you're not paying attention. That's not a &quot;competitive DM&quot; delusion. The DM isn't even allowed to make stuff up. It's the game design progressing forward as game time is spent at the table - the key resource of D&amp;D.In what fever dream are predetermined random tables unavoidably necessary in order to collaboratively invent a story? And yet they have been for D&amp;D for decades. Because storytelling isn't gaming.The process I am telling you, the process of actual game playing and D&amp;D, requires all the published products D&amp;D resulted in for decades:The need for referee maps - dungeon geomorphs, monster &amp; treasure assortments, even campaign settings.The need for modules - wargame-like situational puzzles balanced to the game's design and campaign map (gameboard)The need for dice - Variance determiners expressing alterable odds through game playingThe need for a screen - hiding the generated code behind a screen with player attempts to move about within and decipher it.The need for memory / mapping by players - of course learning is the primary behavior of all games and puzzles. Player mapping / note taking are strategies for playing the game well.I don't think you want to pay D&amp;D. I don't think you want to play games. You've been convinced that narratives are what you want by narrative absolutists. Please stop perpetuating the myth stories are game, play or D&amp;D.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="howandwhy99, post: 6730071, member: 3192"] "Skilled play"? "code breaking" Do you believe in either of those things or just like air quoting? Deciphering the mental pattern of a game is a mental gaming. It requires actual ability Performing the physical pattern of a game is physical gaming. It too requires actual ability Inventing anything isn't a game at all. And most importantly, the method is the details. There is no difference. No DM is "managing backstory". DMs are expressing the design behind the screen. Generating the map, the stats, everything is calculating the code of the game from algorithm to function - to map. The goal of D&D (most gaming really) is to figure out the pattern of the game to achieve points within it. High XP scores in D&D represent highly proficient players. If you have any desire to be good at D&D as a player, you need to pay attention to the what the DM is saying. Or likely a monster will come along and kill your character while you're not paying attention. That's not a "competitive DM" delusion. The DM isn't even allowed to make stuff up. It's the game design progressing forward as game time is spent at the table - the key resource of D&D. In what fever dream are predetermined random tables unavoidably necessary in order to collaboratively invent a story? And yet they have been for D&D for decades. Because storytelling isn't gaming. The process I am telling you, the process of actual game playing and D&D, requires all the published products D&D resulted in for decades: The need for referee maps - dungeon geomorphs, monster & treasure assortments, even campaign settings. The need for modules - wargame-like situational puzzles balanced to the game's design and campaign map (gameboard) The need for dice - Variance determiners expressing alterable odds through game playing The need for a screen - hiding the generated code behind a screen with player attempts to move about within and decipher it. The need for memory / mapping by players - of course learning is the primary behavior of all games and puzzles. Player mapping / note taking are strategies for playing the game well. I don't think you want to pay D&D. I don't think you want to play games. You've been convinced that narratives are what you want by narrative absolutists. Please stop perpetuating the myth stories are game, play or D&D. [/QUOTE]

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