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<blockquote data-quote="Zak S" data-source="post: 6732031" data-attributes="member: 90370">Incorrect:Forge theory doesn't just make claims about what some people experienced. It makes broad claims about how all games work.For example: &quot;It's impossible to equally serve multiple GNS goals (at all) simultaneously in one instance of play&quot; And its use has slowed down hundreds if not thousands of conversations about games, delayed useful insights and elevated and encouraged people who have bad ideas and can't make good things. It's use has been a disaster.It's super-relevant and here's why:Since his theory was wrong and it can be proved, everyone who believed it or encouraged the community arounf it SHOULD be considered someone who is less trustworthy and less reliable (like having believed in a flat-earth theory) than other people in a conversation. Their ideas should be considered less important, their contributions should be weighted as less relevant. They should only be taken seriously after publicly going &quot;Ok, that whole flat-earth thing was a bad idea and I shouldn't have believed it, encouraged it in others, it was bad for the community as a whole&quot;.Instead in many cases the opposite happened--postForgies were just numerous enough (and just over-represented in online discussion enough, for obvious reasons) to create a clique of folks who saw having believed in this flat earth theory as a mark of sophisticated IndieNess rather than an embarassment and that legacy continues today.Everyone should be LESS likely to believe any proposition floated by a person who once believed and encouraged Mr Flat Earth whereas in many cases folks are MORE likely to believe them--and this is a bad outcome for the game community.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Zak S, post: 6732031, member: 90370"] Incorrect: Forge theory doesn't just make claims about what some people experienced. It makes broad claims about how all games work. For example: "It's impossible to equally serve multiple GNS goals (at all) simultaneously in one instance of play" And its use has slowed down hundreds if not thousands of conversations about games, delayed useful insights and elevated and encouraged people who have bad ideas and can't make good things. It's use has been a disaster. It's super-relevant and here's why: Since his theory was wrong and it can be proved, everyone who believed it or encouraged the community arounf it SHOULD be considered someone who is less trustworthy and less reliable (like having believed in a flat-earth theory) than other people in a conversation. Their ideas should be considered less important, their contributions should be weighted as less relevant. They should only be taken seriously after publicly going "Ok, that whole flat-earth thing was a bad idea and I shouldn't have believed it, encouraged it in others, it was bad for the community as a whole". Instead in many cases the opposite happened--postForgies were just numerous enough (and just over-represented in online discussion enough, for obvious reasons) to create a clique of folks who saw having believed in this flat earth theory as a mark of sophisticated IndieNess rather than an embarassment and that legacy continues today. Everyone should be LESS likely to believe any proposition floated by a person who once believed and encouraged Mr Flat Earth whereas in many cases folks are MORE likely to believe them--and this is a bad outcome for the game community. [/QUOTE]

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