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In 4e combat, is an ooze as tall as a human?
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<blockquote data-quote="DrSpunj" data-source="post: 4548082" data-attributes="member: 994"><p>Nope. It's never going to be that easy. I can't find where I said "any medium humanoid" and with good reason, because not all Medium-sized humanoids are exactly the same. Comparing a 6.5" tall Dragonborn with a greatsword to a 4.6" tall Dwarf with a Dagger (or his hob-nailed boot!) isn't going to work. It's all situational, just like I've been saying.</p><p></p><p>It's not black & white in the RAW and I/we can discuss it here or elsewhere for days without end; there will <strong>always</strong> be situations that aren't cut & dried where the DM needs to step in and make a ruling.</p><p></p><p>To bring this back to our combat, just as <strong>Milambus</strong> stated early on, Dwarves are 1-2 feet shorter than the other Medium-size races, and Halflings shorter yet as Small humanoids. The Shadowhunter Bats could not have attacked Borange (our Dwarf Cleric) and stayed 3 squares up because they only have a 1 square reach, so they would have had to fly down to 2 squares to get to him. Had Nail the Human Fighter nabbed the Shadowhunter Bat just as it was going after Borange a nearby Ochre Jelly could have attacked it and would receive an Opportunity Attack if the Bat managed to avoid or get away from the Fighter since it was then in the Ochre Jelly's threat range.</p><p></p><p>As a DM the best I or anyone else can strive for is to be both fair and consistent. I shouldn't allow the Dragonborn with the greatsword to attack 10' up in one instance (the Shadowbat) and deny it another (the goblin on the 10' wall)...BUT you can be sure that I'm going to grant the goblin Cover since the Dragonborn is attacking around a horizontal corner. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This I just don't quite follow, sorry for being dense. I think some of it is the language we use to describe 3-dimensions. "15 feet above the ground" to me translates to where there feet are, what they're standing on is 15 feet high, the creature if Medium-sized like a Human or Elf or whatever would then be occupying the 4th & 5th squares vertically unless they were prone and would then be in just the 4th square. In those instances, no, since a Human only has a 1 square reach they couldn't attack a creature a full 2 squares above them.</p><p></p><p>As to visualizing a Human attacking the goblin with an unarmed attack that is on the 10 foot high wall (3 squares up), it's not always clear to me either how to imagine that. But when you extrapolate with unarmed attack potentially being just jumping up a bit so they can do an arm sweep at the goblin's ankles before they drop back down, sure, I can see that. When we get the Monk class (or whatever the Ki Martial class is going to be called) we're going to have to think about weird situations like this all the time. Fun! <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DrSpunj, post: 4548082, member: 994"] Nope. It's never going to be that easy. I can't find where I said "any medium humanoid" and with good reason, because not all Medium-sized humanoids are exactly the same. Comparing a 6.5" tall Dragonborn with a greatsword to a 4.6" tall Dwarf with a Dagger (or his hob-nailed boot!) isn't going to work. It's all situational, just like I've been saying. It's not black & white in the RAW and I/we can discuss it here or elsewhere for days without end; there will [b]always[/b] be situations that aren't cut & dried where the DM needs to step in and make a ruling. To bring this back to our combat, just as [b]Milambus[/b] stated early on, Dwarves are 1-2 feet shorter than the other Medium-size races, and Halflings shorter yet as Small humanoids. The Shadowhunter Bats could not have attacked Borange (our Dwarf Cleric) and stayed 3 squares up because they only have a 1 square reach, so they would have had to fly down to 2 squares to get to him. Had Nail the Human Fighter nabbed the Shadowhunter Bat just as it was going after Borange a nearby Ochre Jelly could have attacked it and would receive an Opportunity Attack if the Bat managed to avoid or get away from the Fighter since it was then in the Ochre Jelly's threat range. As a DM the best I or anyone else can strive for is to be both fair and consistent. I shouldn't allow the Dragonborn with the greatsword to attack 10' up in one instance (the Shadowbat) and deny it another (the goblin on the 10' wall)...BUT you can be sure that I'm going to grant the goblin Cover since the Dragonborn is attacking around a horizontal corner. ;) This I just don't quite follow, sorry for being dense. I think some of it is the language we use to describe 3-dimensions. "15 feet above the ground" to me translates to where there feet are, what they're standing on is 15 feet high, the creature if Medium-sized like a Human or Elf or whatever would then be occupying the 4th & 5th squares vertically unless they were prone and would then be in just the 4th square. In those instances, no, since a Human only has a 1 square reach they couldn't attack a creature a full 2 squares above them. As to visualizing a Human attacking the goblin with an unarmed attack that is on the 10 foot high wall (3 squares up), it's not always clear to me either how to imagine that. But when you extrapolate with unarmed attack potentially being just jumping up a bit so they can do an arm sweep at the goblin's ankles before they drop back down, sure, I can see that. When we get the Monk class (or whatever the Ki Martial class is going to be called) we're going to have to think about weird situations like this all the time. Fun! ;) [/QUOTE]
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