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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 9746906" data-attributes="member: 23751">I disagree.  The super powers of PCs and NPCs is not one that radiates complete divinity like gods do.  Nor are the PCs and NPCs immortal and pretty much unkillable unless you are also a god.  I don't know of any pantheon where a mortal can just become one of the gods.  Generally it takes the gods using their power to grant godhood to the mortal, and even then the mortal is typically a minor godling and not a real cosmic power god.Superman is not immortal or anywhere close to unkillable.  Nor can he grant divine miracles to those who might follow him. He doesn't have dominion over a major aspect of nature or morality.  You might if the gods didn't exist with the power and ability that they have.  Power and ability that goes far beyond what mortals can accomplish.  That's one of the things that 4e and to an extent 5e did that I really disliked.  Making gods just another fightable creature out there.  "Hey guys, what do you want to do today? You want to hunt down Lolth or Tiamat?"3e did it right.  If you went after a god without a DM given McGuffin, you died. It didn't matter if you were 1st level or 30th level.Faith does not require an unknown.  All the known existence of gods would do is change the definition of faith used from the one dealing with religion to the one dealing with complete trust and confidence in someone or something.Clerics wouldn't have faith that their god exists.  They would know that.  Clerics would instead have faith that their god is the best and what their god stands for is absolute, as well as that their god will support them with miracles just as they support their god in what he stands for.</blockquote>

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