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<blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 5527033" data-attributes="member: 177">I think the issue you'll hit upon, RC, is that the term &quot;100% certainty&quot; does not mean what you think it means.There's the mathematical sense - I expect that's the one you intend.&nbsp; And as a physicist, yes, I can agree that that mathematical 100% certainly is not available to humans.However, humans don't live in a mathematical universe.&nbsp; They live in a real, practical, physical, empirical universe. In that universe there is no difference between, &quot;100%,&quot; and, &quot;100% minus a chance too small for measurement,&quot; especially when the smallest chances you can measure are very, very small indeed.&nbsp; I question how illogical it is to accept how the mathematical and real/physical universes differ.&nbsp; But, in either case, if your goal is to have a pleasant conversation with a chance of actually exchanging information, rubbing people's faces in how illogical their positions are is itself pretty illogical.&nbsp; If that's your goal, then at the moment you're current tactics are not exactly on the logical high ground.If your goal isn't that... well, I ask you admit it now so we all know.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Umbran, post: 5527033, member: 177"] I think the issue you'll hit upon, RC, is that the term "100% certainty" does not mean what you think it means. There's the mathematical sense - I expect that's the one you intend. And as a physicist, yes, I can agree that that mathematical 100% certainly is not available to humans. However, humans don't live in a mathematical universe. They live in a real, practical, physical, empirical universe. In that universe there is no difference between, "100%," and, "100% minus a chance too small for measurement," especially when the smallest chances you can measure are very, very small indeed. I question how illogical it is to accept how the mathematical and real/physical universes differ. But, in either case, if your goal is to have a pleasant conversation with a chance of actually exchanging information, rubbing people's faces in how illogical their positions are is itself pretty illogical. If that's your goal, then at the moment you're current tactics are not exactly on the logical high ground. If your goal isn't that... well, I ask you admit it now so we all know. [/QUOTE]

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