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<blockquote data-quote="Greenfield" data-source="post: 5716959" data-attributes="member: 6669384"><p>Oh, rest is absolutely required.</p><p></p><p>Right now, he throws Dominate Person, at will, as a 12th level caster. The Save is 10 + 1/2 the Vampire's hit dice (2 in this case) + his Charisma mod. That's a DC 16 Save, which you wouldn't think is all that hard to make. </p><p></p><p>The +4 to Charisma he gains with the Vampire template is a killer.</p><p></p><p>But his other powers, like alternate forms and summoning rat or bat swarms, could reasonably be weakened or even removed during daylight hours. Level drains might be reduced to a single level.</p><p></p><p>Yeah, I know that they'll trash this guy real quick once they actually face him, presuming they ever get him alone, but the way it's working out he may own enough of them to win when the time comes. And getting him alone is more than a little problematic.</p><p></p><p>The <em>Dominate</em> ability lets him spy on the party as he chooses, receiving sensory input from the <em>Dominated</em> PC (though not actually seeing through his eyes). That advance warning means that, if he has any brains at all he'll always be prepared for whatever they're bringing.</p><p></p><p>The PCs are supposed to win Halloween dungeons. This one may stretch beyond Halloween, and they may well lose, bit time. </p><p></p><p>Not sure what I'm asking any more. Maybe we should write this one off as a general rant.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Greenfield, post: 5716959, member: 6669384"] Oh, rest is absolutely required. Right now, he throws Dominate Person, at will, as a 12th level caster. The Save is 10 + 1/2 the Vampire's hit dice (2 in this case) + his Charisma mod. That's a DC 16 Save, which you wouldn't think is all that hard to make. The +4 to Charisma he gains with the Vampire template is a killer. But his other powers, like alternate forms and summoning rat or bat swarms, could reasonably be weakened or even removed during daylight hours. Level drains might be reduced to a single level. Yeah, I know that they'll trash this guy real quick once they actually face him, presuming they ever get him alone, but the way it's working out he may own enough of them to win when the time comes. And getting him alone is more than a little problematic. The [I]Dominate[/I] ability lets him spy on the party as he chooses, receiving sensory input from the [I]Dominated[/I] PC (though not actually seeing through his eyes). That advance warning means that, if he has any brains at all he'll always be prepared for whatever they're bringing. The PCs are supposed to win Halloween dungeons. This one may stretch beyond Halloween, and they may well lose, bit time. Not sure what I'm asking any more. Maybe we should write this one off as a general rant. [/QUOTE]
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