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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Arrowhawk" data-source="post: 5717207" data-attributes="member: 6679551">If the cloud cover thing is understood by all, then obviously disregard, I'm just going on what you've described.I still call fie on the "butler" thing.  This guy has the force of personality to  lead an army and the grace to lead a nation and he's masquerading as a house servant?  Like someone said, kill the party for stupidity so long as you've made it clear to them the nature of the person before them.  If you've barely mentioned the natural charisma someone like this would have, then I think you're throwing curve balls.One vampire maintaining control on 100+ people?  That's pure power gaming and total rules abuse, imo.   While technically it could be done, it's not believable in the situation you've described with a 5th level vamp who fronts as a house servant.  As the town mayor?  Maybe.   Now if your'e telling me it's more like he's Wormtongue, well that's different.  But I still think you're beyond plausability on that one.  The problem is that I have no way to prove it or say it couldn't be done.  As a player I would feel like the DM was just hand-waving away the real problems with this setup which would make it untenable.   I guess my point is that it seems bogus, contrived, just to enable a story line, but that is wholly subjective, so it doesn't matter what I think.With 100 people, he's go to to see like 8 people a day to reestablish control.  Are you actually alloting time for that and considering the implications of those actions?  I'm guessing no, you're just assuming it's no big deal.And time and effort isn't the main issue, it's the nature of controlling them in a manner which does not make them reroll saves and what not.  I don't buy the "go about your business"  The person is DOMINATED.  They don't think for themselves beyond basic survival when you give them commands.  You tell Johnboy to dig a ditch and he ignores the fact that it's raining and mud keeps filling the hole.  Johnboy is out there all day and someone comes along and says, "WTF? This guy is acting like he's under mind control," because you do know people in D&Dverse are familiar with that sort of thing, right?  It's not even real in our society and people would think it. Dominating a family? Sure, 100+, no way.  Someone, somewhere, somehow, would break control or get discovered and then word would get out.  As a player, no way is the DM in the clear by just saying the vamp tells everyone to "act normally."As far as "light touch," there is no such thing as Dominate Light.  They are dominated.  The only question is whether he commands them to do something against their nature.  Let me put it this way.  There is no way I'd let a caster in the party maintain Dominate over 100+ people without a barrage of daily rolls for people being discovered.  Are you rolling daily?  My guess is no.He's got spies?  Are they Dominated?  So he's got to give them specific commands to spy.  Anyone who comes in contact with the spy is going to suspect something...Sense Motive.  What if spying is against that person's nature?  Reroll saving throw.We can go back and forth about this,  but I suspect you're abusing the Dominate ability in a way you'd never let a player character get away with.Romanian accent?  Not sure what that has to do with any of the points I'm making.  How does the Vampire know what spell  was cast?  Did the Vamp make a Spellcraft check for divine spells?  My guess is no.Look, I'm not buying it.  But that's irrelevant.  As long as you remember, the vampire doesn't automatically get to know what his subjects are seeing and feeling unless he's specifically concentrating on that subject,  at least you can extricate yourself by using that Sense Motive check and possibly having someone escape the Vampire's Dominate through some event and warn the party.</blockquote>

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