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<blockquote data-quote="Sacrosanct" data-source="post: 8364153" data-attributes="member: 15700">I admit I always chuckle a bit when I hear some variation of &quot;grognards can't handle anything new&quot; or &quot;throw fits when something new comes along.&quot;I mean, have you seen Expedition to the Barrier Peaks?&nbsp; Have you picked up an issue of Dragon during the 80s, where every other issue introduced a new class?&nbsp; We introduced the whole T-Rex shooting lasers meme.&nbsp; We mix-matched campaigns that had a bit of Tolkien, a bit of Moorcock, and a bit of Robotech for flavor without batting an eye.&nbsp; I recall running one adventure that was a mix of Predator, Platoon, Conan the Barbarian, and Robocop all into one.&nbsp; Everything was new back then and it was all good.&nbsp; That's one good thing about the 80s, is that you could pretty much do anything style-wise and no one cared.&nbsp; Just look at how many fashion styles were in that decade compared to every other decade.&nbsp; No, Grogs don't have anything against new things, they just aren't fans of things that override or remove the parts they do like or think those new things are inherently better.&nbsp; And I think there's a distinction there.&nbsp; Also, if&nbsp; you look at many OSR groups, if you remove those diehard toxic elements like LaNassa and crew, you'll find most grogs like 5e as well (people like Luke Gygax and many others).&nbsp; So that right there sort of disproves the whole &quot;grogs don't like new things&quot; argument.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Sacrosanct, post: 8364153, member: 15700"] I admit I always chuckle a bit when I hear some variation of "grognards can't handle anything new" or "throw fits when something new comes along." I mean, have you [I]seen[/I] Expedition to the Barrier Peaks? Have you picked up an issue of [I]Dragon [/I]during the 80s, where every other issue introduced a new class? We introduced the whole T-Rex shooting lasers meme. We mix-matched campaigns that had a bit of Tolkien, a bit of Moorcock, and a bit of Robotech for flavor without batting an eye. I recall running one adventure that was a mix of Predator, Platoon, Conan the Barbarian, and Robocop all into one. [I]Everything [/I]was new back then and it was all good. That's one good thing about the 80s, is that you could pretty much do anything style-wise and no one cared. Just look at how many fashion styles were in that decade compared to every other decade. No, Grogs don't have anything against new things, they just aren't fans of things that override or remove the parts they [I]do [/I]like or think those new things are inherently better. And I think there's a distinction there. Also, if you look at many OSR groups, if you remove those diehard toxic elements like LaNassa and crew, you'll find most grogs like 5e as well (people like Luke Gygax and many others). So that right there sort of disproves the whole "grogs don't like new things" argument. [/QUOTE]

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