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<blockquote data-quote="Sacrosanct" data-source="post: 8364901" data-attributes="member: 15700">That's not what was claimed at all.&nbsp; No one is claiming that only grognards do that.&nbsp; Only that it was a key factor of the gameplay style.&nbsp; If being part of my group is that you like chocolate ice cream, that doesn't mean I'm saying no one else can like it.You keep making a ton of pejorative assumptions about the character of DMs and players who like old school games, both here and in other threads (of which you've had mod warnings about).&nbsp; I don't know why you have so much hostility, and insist on using load terms like &quot;weasel&quot; or &quot;pandering&quot; when describing said players, but I'd wish you'd stop.I ask again, what is your experience playing 1e in the 70s and 80s to have all this knowledge about how the game was/is played?&nbsp; While yes, there were bad DMs back then, there are bad DMs in every edition, and you seem insistent on trying to paint all old school DMs and players as bad.&nbsp; Despite the repeated responses by actual DMs and players of&nbsp; old school games stating otherwise.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Sacrosanct, post: 8364901, member: 15700"] That's not what was claimed at all. No one is claiming that only grognards do that. Only that it was a key factor of the gameplay style. If being part of my group is that you like chocolate ice cream, that doesn't mean I'm saying no one else can like it. You keep making a ton of pejorative assumptions about the character of DMs and players who like old school games, both here and in other threads (of which you've had mod warnings about). I don't know why you have so much hostility, and insist on using load terms like "weasel" or "pandering" when describing said players, but I'd wish you'd stop. I ask again, what is your experience playing 1e in the 70s and 80s to have all this knowledge about how the game was/is played? While yes, there were bad DMs back then, there are bad DMs in every edition, and you seem insistent on trying to paint all old school DMs and players as bad. Despite the repeated responses by [I]actual[/I] DMs and players of old school games stating otherwise. [/QUOTE]

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