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<blockquote data-quote="Zardnaar" data-source="post: 7604413" data-attributes="member: 6716779"><p>I don't think 4E was any worse than any other edition in terms of how it represented hit points. </p><p></p><p>Healing surges and rapid non magical healing were a bit absurd though. Both made the game grindy and easy mode especially combined with minor action healing like healing word and the other equivalents. All the modern D&Ds suffer from hit point inflation as well as PCs deal more damage/are tougher etc so its mostly a wash but 4E hit point inflation was combined with 4E defenses as well so combat was slow, grindy and ultimately boring.</p><p></p><p> Rereading 4E now you can at least kind of see why they did it, still reads like an instruction manual but most of it is quite good the horrible thing for me is basically the class/role design which is a big problem. Alot of the other stuff in it could be tuned had they made a follow up like how defences scaled and how things like healing surges or magic items worked. </p><p></p><p> Still think you could use the 5E engine to clone anything from B/X to 3E and 4E.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Zardnaar, post: 7604413, member: 6716779"] I don't think 4E was any worse than any other edition in terms of how it represented hit points. Healing surges and rapid non magical healing were a bit absurd though. Both made the game grindy and easy mode especially combined with minor action healing like healing word and the other equivalents. All the modern D&Ds suffer from hit point inflation as well as PCs deal more damage/are tougher etc so its mostly a wash but 4E hit point inflation was combined with 4E defenses as well so combat was slow, grindy and ultimately boring. Rereading 4E now you can at least kind of see why they did it, still reads like an instruction manual but most of it is quite good the horrible thing for me is basically the class/role design which is a big problem. Alot of the other stuff in it could be tuned had they made a follow up like how defences scaled and how things like healing surges or magic items worked. Still think you could use the 5E engine to clone anything from B/X to 3E and 4E. [/QUOTE]
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