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<blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 7604482" data-attributes="member: 82106"><p>It isn't idiotic or absurd at all, it is simply practical, and it makes perfectly good narrative sense. There is, in world terms, no such thing as '1 hit point'. Just like you're trying state below, some characters can, and some cannot, withstand some sort of an attack (you can call it 'unit of kinetic energy' if you want, though I think that kind of thinking is also unsupportable, but one thing at a time). The ogre minion is weaker a non-minion ogre. As for the level 1 non-minion goblin, it would be turned to dust by the same attack. First of all its defenses are worthless, and it only has at most about 18 hit points. No level 11 attack is likely to leave it standing. Beyond that THE GOBLIN WOULD ALSO BE REPRESENTED AS A MINION. Why wouldn't it? You'd be playing nonsense with 4e's process to do otherwise. So, as long as you follow that process, you will never have to deal with anything so absurd, and it wouldn't even BE absurd anyway, in all likelihood. </p><p></p><p></p><p>I don't buy it. 'hit' means it had its effect. If hit means something different at different levels, then your idea of "things always mean the same in the fiction" is simply absurd. Of course the arrow just bounces off (or doesn't even hit) the higher level PC, but that is exactly what hit points is doing for you, changing the fiction.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AbdulAlhazred, post: 7604482, member: 82106"] It isn't idiotic or absurd at all, it is simply practical, and it makes perfectly good narrative sense. There is, in world terms, no such thing as '1 hit point'. Just like you're trying state below, some characters can, and some cannot, withstand some sort of an attack (you can call it 'unit of kinetic energy' if you want, though I think that kind of thinking is also unsupportable, but one thing at a time). The ogre minion is weaker a non-minion ogre. As for the level 1 non-minion goblin, it would be turned to dust by the same attack. First of all its defenses are worthless, and it only has at most about 18 hit points. No level 11 attack is likely to leave it standing. Beyond that THE GOBLIN WOULD ALSO BE REPRESENTED AS A MINION. Why wouldn't it? You'd be playing nonsense with 4e's process to do otherwise. So, as long as you follow that process, you will never have to deal with anything so absurd, and it wouldn't even BE absurd anyway, in all likelihood. I don't buy it. 'hit' means it had its effect. If hit means something different at different levels, then your idea of "things always mean the same in the fiction" is simply absurd. Of course the arrow just bounces off (or doesn't even hit) the higher level PC, but that is exactly what hit points is doing for you, changing the fiction. [/QUOTE]
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