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<blockquote data-quote="MwaO" data-source="post: 7615373" data-attributes="member: 12749">They both do and they don't:Mechanically, fire is fire. Pretty much in every edition.Interpretatively, in every edition, the DM decided what they wanted fire to do.4e's only real difference here is that 4e suggests that the DM talk to the players and tell them the kind of campaign they want to run and to get table agreement on it. And some DMs interpreted that as meaning the DMG was trying to take away the DM's power, when it was really saying, &quot;Hey, we realize, some D&amp;D players can get really passive-aggressive. Why don't we get everything understood so no one decides to blow up the campaign because they've been secretly pissed off for the past two months?&quot;Player: &quot;Well, I really had my heart set on a Cleric, but this is Dark Sun? Thought divine PCs weren't allowed...&quot;DM: &quot;Nope, divine PCs are fine, but have to tune to various elemental spirits rather than deities.&quot;Player: &quot;Oh, ok, that's great!&quot;vsPlayer(sullenly muttering unintelligibly under breath about 'Stupid Dark Sun'): &quot;Here's my Bard. No one minds if I sing out of tune?&quot;</blockquote>

[QUOTE="MwaO, post: 7615373, member: 12749"] They both do and they don't: Mechanically, fire is fire. Pretty much in every edition. Interpretatively, in every edition, the DM decided what they wanted fire to do. 4e's only real difference here is that 4e suggests that the DM talk to the players and tell them the kind of campaign they want to run and to get table agreement on it. And some DMs interpreted that as meaning the DMG was trying to take away the DM's power, when it was really saying, "Hey, we realize, some D&D players can get really passive-aggressive. Why don't we get everything understood so no one decides to blow up the campaign because they've been secretly pissed off for the past two months?" Player: "Well, I really had my heart set on a Cleric, but this is Dark Sun? Thought divine PCs weren't allowed..." DM: "Nope, divine PCs are fine, but have to tune to various elemental spirits rather than deities." Player: "Oh, ok, that's great!" vs Player(sullenly muttering unintelligibly under breath about 'Stupid Dark Sun'): "Here's my Bard. No one minds if I sing out of tune?" [/QUOTE]

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