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<blockquote data-quote="Crazy Jerome" data-source="post: 5623507" data-attributes="member: 54877">On this, he disagrees with the concept of &quot;4E fans&quot; that is apparently sometimes projected onto the whole body from a fairly small and, not infrequently, misread sample.&nbsp;&quot;I can find examples of&quot; != &quot;a lot of&quot;. Not even if you look at the sample with your biases raging full bore.&nbsp;Edit:&nbsp; In fact, the most common time I see a &quot;4E fan&quot; advocating playing the game as nothing but a tactical skirmish game, they seem to exhibit some of the same dismissiveness towards the possibility of roleplaying in 4E as is exhibited by the essay, and are either stuck in a game they don't like, or, to be more generous, are getting out of a game what they can.&nbsp; &nbsp;I guess you can call the girl that hates football, but went with her boyfriend, and mostly sat quitely and watched the spectacle, but complained about the heat, the game, the food, etc. as a &quot;fan&quot;.&nbsp; But we don't usually call someone like that a &quot;fan&quot;.&nbsp; And we don't usually look to them for a report about what is fun about the experience, either.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Crazy Jerome, post: 5623507, member: 54877"] On this, he disagrees with the concept of "4E fans" that is apparently sometimes projected onto the whole body from a fairly small and, not infrequently, misread sample. "I can find examples of" != "a lot of". Not even if you look at the sample with your biases raging full bore. Edit: In fact, the most common time I see a "4E fan" advocating playing the game as nothing but a tactical skirmish game, they seem to exhibit some of the same dismissiveness towards the possibility of roleplaying in 4E as is exhibited by the essay, and are either stuck in a game they don't like, or, to be more generous, are getting out of a game what they can. I guess you can call the girl that hates football, but went with her boyfriend, and mostly sat quitely and watched the spectacle, but complained about the heat, the game, the food, etc. as a "fan". But we don't usually call someone like that a "fan". And we don't usually look to them for a report about what is fun about the experience, either. [/QUOTE]

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