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Message: <blockquote data-quote="JamesonCourage" data-source="post: 5627280" data-attributes="member: 6668292">I can only guess at what "they" you're referring to. If you're replying to my statement of "Those character concepts seem to suffer when every martial character is a type of prophet" then I'm curious how characters than can see their own future isn't going to be a problem who wants their character rooted in the mundane.Maybe you've thought of something I haven't.Cool. Of course, I didn't say that wasn't the case, so I'm not sure why you're trying to argue with me on it. I said that if dailies were refluffed to be premonitions, you're moving out of the realm of mundane for some players, and that fluff proves to be a problem.Again, I feel like people keep attaching things to me that I haven't said, and then attacking it.I'd say critical hits are abstract (not dissociated), and that Action Points are usually dissociated (but may not be). There's a big difference between the concepts of abstract and dissociated.Cool? I'm not sure if you think you're refuting me on something I've said.Awesome? Again, not sure what you think you're refuting. If, however, the fluff of dailies was "premonitions while sleeping" than it becomes impossible to  "pick the right powers" if you wish to remain solidly mundane. Because now, no matter what daily you choose, no matter how mundane the move is, you're only utilizing it because you can see the future (decidedly not mundane).No idea what that is.It definitely can be. I'd call it abstract, though.Alrighty then.You'll have to enlighten me more on how my thinking works on this.Those are abstract, as far as I can tell, not dissociated. If the fighter is using narrative control, as pemerton or others imply, than they are using dissociated mechanics. If they are using an ability which has reasoning that can be learned, explored, or observed in-game, than it's not dissociated.It's like you think I called all 4e powers dissociated. I said that all dailies would be associated with the given fluff (the opposite of that), though it would cause problems for players who have a mundane character concept in mind (as all martial characters can now see the future). This doesn't make their combat moves any more dissociated. Good thing I only ever implied it was true was when I was responding to someone who said "what if we changed all dailies to this fluff?" then, huh?Not according to the context of the quote of mine you're replying to.Again, not according to the context of the quote of mine you're replying to.As always, play what you like <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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