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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 5627372" data-attributes="member: 42582"><p>I'm having trouble seeing where you come from.</p><p></p><p>That is, I can read the words and parse the grammar, but I don't understand what sort of play experience you have in mind.</p><p></p><p>Of course not. If the player starts being the GM instead, s/he doesn't keep the daily either. This doesn't show that it is the character who uses the daily, though. It just shows that it is <em>the player of that character</em> who uses the daily. The authority to use any given power attaches to the particular role a given participant occupies - GM, player of character X, player of character Y, etc.</p><p></p><p>As you yourself state, the daily attaches to whoever is running the character. That is not the character. It is a real, actually existing participant in the game. The player, for whom the daily power is a resource.</p><p></p><p>Furthermore, this understanding of the power produces a coherent conception of the fiction, whereas your alternative doesn't. Your alternative produces the bizarre result that a being is exercising meta- or narrative control over his/her own life - which is fine for the Order of the Stick or, sometimes, The Simpsons, but isn't how I play my RPGs. The fact that it produces coherence seems to me a strong reason in favour of my understanding.</p><p></p><p>It's similar to a GM's power to roll for wandering monsters, or decide whether or not a certain room in the dungeon has caved in after a heavy earthquake. These are powers that the GM - a real person - enjoys in virtue of occupying a certain role as participant in the game, analogous to the role of being player of character ABC.</p><p></p><p>I don't even understand what this means. What does it mean for a PC - who exists, as a character, only in the fiction - to <em>use</em> an ability to manipulate or author that fiction?</p><p></p><p>Well, I agree with this. But given that "activate" and "use" are synonyms in this context - as far as I can tell - I don't see how it can be the case <em>both</em> that the player activates it, but the PC uses it.</p><p></p><p>And this is the crux - it is, as you say, the <em>player</em> who can activate the power once per (fictional) day. So the notion of "using" or "activating" the power has no meaning within the fiction. So within the fiction there is nothing to be learned, explored or observed other than that the rogue, at least on occasion, pulls off some pretty fancy moves.</p><p></p><p>I don't know whaqt you mean by "testing a power in a vacuum". Given that you yourself have said that there is no such thing as the rogue consciously using the power (and by that I assume you don't mean the rogue uses it subconsciously); and given that the only coherent account of usage consistent with this seems to me to be that it is the player uses the power; I don't know what "testing" would consist in, let alone "testing in a vacuum.</p><p></p><p>I mean, how do the inhabitants of the fictional world even <em>frame</em> the question in terms of "Did the footwork result from use of Trick Strike, or from use of Positioning Strike"? Let alone answer it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 5627372, member: 42582"] I'm having trouble seeing where you come from. That is, I can read the words and parse the grammar, but I don't understand what sort of play experience you have in mind. Of course not. If the player starts being the GM instead, s/he doesn't keep the daily either. This doesn't show that it is the character who uses the daily, though. It just shows that it is [I]the player of that character[/I] who uses the daily. The authority to use any given power attaches to the particular role a given participant occupies - GM, player of character X, player of character Y, etc. As you yourself state, the daily attaches to whoever is running the character. That is not the character. It is a real, actually existing participant in the game. The player, for whom the daily power is a resource. Furthermore, this understanding of the power produces a coherent conception of the fiction, whereas your alternative doesn't. Your alternative produces the bizarre result that a being is exercising meta- or narrative control over his/her own life - which is fine for the Order of the Stick or, sometimes, The Simpsons, but isn't how I play my RPGs. The fact that it produces coherence seems to me a strong reason in favour of my understanding. It's similar to a GM's power to roll for wandering monsters, or decide whether or not a certain room in the dungeon has caved in after a heavy earthquake. These are powers that the GM - a real person - enjoys in virtue of occupying a certain role as participant in the game, analogous to the role of being player of character ABC. I don't even understand what this means. What does it mean for a PC - who exists, as a character, only in the fiction - to [I]use[/I] an ability to manipulate or author that fiction? Well, I agree with this. But given that "activate" and "use" are synonyms in this context - as far as I can tell - I don't see how it can be the case [I]both[/I] that the player activates it, but the PC uses it. And this is the crux - it is, as you say, the [I]player[/I] who can activate the power once per (fictional) day. So the notion of "using" or "activating" the power has no meaning within the fiction. So within the fiction there is nothing to be learned, explored or observed other than that the rogue, at least on occasion, pulls off some pretty fancy moves. I don't know whaqt you mean by "testing a power in a vacuum". Given that you yourself have said that there is no such thing as the rogue consciously using the power (and by that I assume you don't mean the rogue uses it subconsciously); and given that the only coherent account of usage consistent with this seems to me to be that it is the player uses the power; I don't know what "testing" would consist in, let alone "testing in a vacuum. I mean, how do the inhabitants of the fictional world even [I]frame[/I] the question in terms of "Did the footwork result from use of Trick Strike, or from use of Positioning Strike"? Let alone answer it. [/QUOTE]
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