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<blockquote data-quote="JamesonCourage" data-source="post: 5628404" data-attributes="member: 6668292"><p>Go for it, I'm interested.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It's okay to "agree" with me sometimes <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> (kidding, of course)</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The fact that you do this would make the game much more tolerable in my eyes. I think I could probably play in a game you ran and participate in the spirit of the social contract.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Right, I agree from what I've heard from those who play 4e (such as the reliable pemerton). This is just a matter of preference.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Last session about 60 days past in-game, so I think I can relate there. I think it's a matter of "could the ability be observed theoretically" that throws me off. Knowing that it can be is somewhat discouraging to me, for whatever reason. It draws me out of immersion. It might go away after a few session, with regular use, or it might not.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Right, and it's just an immersion issue for me. Again, just preference difference.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You are correct in how they're not used <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />. They are merely used to modify the results of rolls. They do not allow new rolls, or allows you to say "this happens" in any way.</p><p></p><p>I do like and allow that type of mechanic with Hero Points in my Mutants and Masterminds 2e games, but those happen months apart, and are always one-shots. We don't play them to immerse, really. It's a different type of enjoyment, but it's now what my group is looking for in the long term.</p><p></p><p>As always, play what you like <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I've said several times that it's subjective. I compared it to another subjective word ("beautiful) that is meant to communicate subjective perception of something. I said you can say "hit points are meta to me, but barbarians rages are dissociated" and someone can agree or disagree, just like I could say "that music is beautiful to me" and you can agree or disagree. It's the communication of a feeling or perception, not an absolute statement about how others feel or perceive it.</p><p></p><p>I thought this was clear from my earlier posts. As always, play what you like <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="JamesonCourage, post: 5628404, member: 6668292"] Go for it, I'm interested. It's okay to "agree" with me sometimes ;) (kidding, of course) The fact that you do this would make the game much more tolerable in my eyes. I think I could probably play in a game you ran and participate in the spirit of the social contract. Right, I agree from what I've heard from those who play 4e (such as the reliable pemerton). This is just a matter of preference. Last session about 60 days past in-game, so I think I can relate there. I think it's a matter of "could the ability be observed theoretically" that throws me off. Knowing that it can be is somewhat discouraging to me, for whatever reason. It draws me out of immersion. It might go away after a few session, with regular use, or it might not. Right, and it's just an immersion issue for me. Again, just preference difference. You are correct in how they're not used :). They are merely used to modify the results of rolls. They do not allow new rolls, or allows you to say "this happens" in any way. I do like and allow that type of mechanic with Hero Points in my Mutants and Masterminds 2e games, but those happen months apart, and are always one-shots. We don't play them to immerse, really. It's a different type of enjoyment, but it's now what my group is looking for in the long term. As always, play what you like :) I've said several times that it's subjective. I compared it to another subjective word ("beautiful) that is meant to communicate subjective perception of something. I said you can say "hit points are meta to me, but barbarians rages are dissociated" and someone can agree or disagree, just like I could say "that music is beautiful to me" and you can agree or disagree. It's the communication of a feeling or perception, not an absolute statement about how others feel or perceive it. I thought this was clear from my earlier posts. As always, play what you like :) [/QUOTE]
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