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<blockquote data-quote="Yesway Jose" data-source="post: 5628547" data-attributes="member: 6679265">This doesn't follow for me.&nbsp;Imagine that after a long drought there is rain. The village says &quot;Hallelujah, it's a miracle&quot;. It's just people trying to deduce a cause-and-effect for the phenomenon. Nobody would accuse the end of the drought itself to be a disassociation, because presumably there is some meteorological reason for it, and the village just had a different explanation.&nbsp;I think we've covered this before, that the character's explanation of the result of a mechanic may run parallel but not conform to the &quot;real&quot; reason.&nbsp;The &quot;reason for the mechanically dictated event to occur in the fiction&quot; is because the spell ends like all other Baleful Polymorph spells and most spell effects for that matter.&nbsp;Are you saying that Alexander would claim that the entire D&amp;D magic system is disassociated because spells have a limited duration and there is no reason for this limited duration other than supplied ad hoc by the player?&nbsp;So A is defined as B and B is disadvantageous because of C&nbsp;So you go look for a Y and show that C is not true, therefore Y is not B and A is not B?&nbsp;That's your black swan????</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Yesway Jose, post: 5628547, member: 6679265"] This doesn't follow for me. Imagine that after a long drought there is rain. The village says "Hallelujah, it's a miracle". It's just people trying to deduce a cause-and-effect for the phenomenon. Nobody would accuse the end of the drought itself to be a disassociation, because presumably there is some meteorological reason for it, and the village just had a different explanation. I think we've covered this before, that the character's explanation of the result of a mechanic may run parallel but not conform to the "real" reason. The "reason for the mechanically dictated event to occur in the fiction" is because the spell ends like all other Baleful Polymorph spells and most spell effects for that matter. Are you saying that Alexander would claim that the entire D&D magic system is disassociated because spells have a limited duration and there is no reason for this limited duration other than supplied ad hoc by the player? So A is defined as B and B is disadvantageous because of C So you go look for a Y and show that C is not true, therefore Y is not B and A is not B? That's your black swan???? [/QUOTE]

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