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<blockquote data-quote="Yesway Jose" data-source="post: 5629157" data-attributes="member: 6679265">IMO, with all due respect, I think some of you are being a little silly.&nbsp;Does anybody know if- the essay is a formal logical theorem- you're applying rigorous logic to something that isn't- the definition of disassociation or dissociation- what mechanic x is (dis)associated to or with- what is meant by an inherent property of a mechanic&nbsp;The essay states &quot;When I talk about 'dissociated mechanics', I'm talking about mechanics which have no association with the game world&quot;. &nbsp;The only thing that is defined is the mechanic, as written in a D&amp;D book.&nbsp;Everything else is undefinable.&nbsp;Is &quot;game world&quot; your game world, his game world, Bob's game world?&nbsp;And he didn't say &quot;encounter&quot; or &quot;adventure&quot; or &quot;campaign&quot;, he said &quot;game world&quot; which is imaginary and hypothetical and potential.&nbsp;But he didn't say &quot;your game world&quot;. He said &quot;the game world&quot; which is undefinable because it doesn't exist.&nbsp;Even if &quot;the&quot; is subjective, your own perception of &quot;the game world&quot; is variable and dynamic and can change at any time.&nbsp;And what is meant by &quot;no&quot; association? Is that a binary, all or nothing, 0% or 100%. How do you measure the distance between a defined thing (the mechanic) to an undefined or variable point (&quot;the game world').&nbsp;And what is meant by &quot;association&quot;. One definition of &quot;associate&quot; is &quot;connect in the mind or imagination&quot;. What is the formal definition then for mentally connecting a mechanic to a fiction?&nbsp;So what you have is: &quot;When I talk about 'dissociated mechanics', I'm talking about mechanics which have [undefinable] association [definition?] with the [undefinable]&quot;.&nbsp;Is this really why we're here?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Yesway Jose, post: 5629157, member: 6679265"] IMO, with all due respect, I think some of you are being a little silly. Does anybody know if - the essay is a formal logical theorem - you're applying rigorous logic to something that isn't - the definition of disassociation or dissociation - what mechanic x is (dis)associated to or with - what is meant by an inherent property of a mechanic The essay states "When I talk about 'dissociated mechanics', I'm talking about mechanics which have no association with the game world". The only thing that is defined is the mechanic, as written in a D&D book. Everything else is undefinable. Is "game world" your game world, his game world, Bob's game world? And he didn't say "encounter" or "adventure" or "campaign", he said "game world" which is imaginary and hypothetical and potential. But he didn't say "your game world". He said "the game world" which is undefinable because it doesn't exist. Even if "the" is subjective, your own perception of "the game world" is variable and dynamic and can change at any time. And what is meant by "no" association? Is that a binary, all or nothing, 0% or 100%. How do you measure the distance between a defined thing (the mechanic) to an undefined or variable point ("the game world'). And what is meant by "association". One definition of "associate" is "connect in the mind or imagination". What is the formal definition then for mentally connecting a mechanic to a fiction? So what you have is: "When I talk about 'dissociated mechanics', I'm talking about mechanics which have [undefinable] association [definition?] with the [undefinable]". Is this really why we're here? [/QUOTE]

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