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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 2249325" data-attributes="member: 2011">You keep claiming this, but have yet to illustrate it to be true.In fact, we have a Players Handbook PRECISELY so that players can understand the rules.If that book was not needed for players, it would be called the DMs Handbook.I do not need to prove my point since my point is derived from the basics of the game itself. There are rules to DND for people to use, hence, people should follow those rules, just like in any other game. That's one of the fundamental aspects of game playing in society.You have yet to prove your point that the rules are irrelevant to the fun of the game. But, unfortunately for you, once the rules become irrelevant, it is no longer DND. It becomes some other form of RPG, closer to a LARP and a different game, regardless of how a DM is adjudicating it.If the players do not know the rules and cannot make decisions based on that rules knowledge, then it is no longer DND and your point is moot regarding DND. Your point might be applicable outside of DND, but this rules forum we are talking on is a DND Rules Forum, not an imaginary RPG only the DM knows the rules Rules Forum.What was your point again? Did you have one, or were you just arguing to argue?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 2249325, member: 2011"] You keep claiming this, but have yet to illustrate it to be true. In fact, we have a Players Handbook PRECISELY so that players can understand the rules. If that book was not needed for players, it would be called the DMs Handbook. I do not need to prove my point since my point is derived from the basics of the game itself. There are rules to DND for people to use, hence, people should follow those rules, just like in any other game. That's one of the fundamental aspects of game playing in society. You have yet to prove your point that the rules are irrelevant to the fun of the game. But, unfortunately for you, once the rules become irrelevant, it is no longer DND. It becomes some other form of RPG, closer to a LARP and a different game, regardless of how a DM is adjudicating it. If the players do not know the rules and cannot make decisions based on that rules knowledge, then it is no longer DND and your point is moot regarding DND. Your point might be applicable outside of DND, but this rules forum we are talking on is a DND Rules Forum, not an imaginary RPG only the DM knows the rules Rules Forum. What was your point again? Did you have one, or were you just arguing to argue? [/QUOTE]

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