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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mortepierre" data-source="post: 1544811" data-attributes="member: 9765">There aren't that many spells with an "insta-death" result out there (assuming you limit yourself to the 3 Core books), nor so many creatures able to use them. The key to the problem is the DC 25. That's a pretty big DC to pull off.Both a Balor and a Pit Fiend can cast a DC 25 Blasphemy but given the fact that Kull has - by now - at least 9 HD, that means you would need a lvl 19+ caster to kill him. So, only the Balor qualifies. However, even if I didn't think a Balor would be too much for Kull to swallow, one has to remember Blasphemy doesn't authorize a save vs its "kill" result.Same problem with all the Death spells available to "common" casters. It has to be a spell that allows a save .. which few do.Destruction or Finger of Death would do the trick, assuming a caster with a good enough primary stat (we're still talking Int/Wis/Cha 26+ here!), possibly a bit less if the guy took the various Spell Focus feats...However, those spells all call for a Fort. save, and the DC 25 was a Refl. save.That leaves us only with one creep from the MM that requires a Reflex DC: a dragon. And not a young one at that. Various qualify.. but none has an "insta-kill" breath (unless it was using the Maximize Breath feat).Hmm .. that leaves us only with traps but even the CR10 examples from the DMG rarely require a save DC above 20.Honestly, I don't see. Of course, there are enough non-Core books out there that I am sure I missed something. And I am not even taking "advanced" monsters in consideration.You got me curious now...  <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/devious.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":]" title="Devious    :]" data-shortname=":]" /></blockquote>

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