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Message: <blockquote data-quote="kinem" data-source="post: 5780530" data-attributes="member: 24234">That's exactly what the <a href="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/injuryandDeath.htm#massiveDamage" target="_blank">massive damage</a> rule is for.I don't know if the falling damage was 50+ hp though. D20 Modern has a threshold of just 10 damage.Massive damage only requires a Fort DC 15, but given that he wasn't even trying to land safely based on what he said, and that he was displaying an attitude at altitude, I might have ruled that he auto-fails the save or that even at a lower height he doesn't get the benefit of his hp.I agree though that even 3.X isn't as realistic as it should be. But it's a compromise between gamism and simulation, as is necessary.Back when 4e was first being announced, I was excited about it, because 3.X had grown stale. It was bloated with splatbooks and had a number of broken bits, but besides that, it was too much of a numbers game - there wasn't enough flavor (and I'm not talking about having more background stories or descriptive text; I'm saying that mechanics should be secondary to "what would make sense" given that descriptive text), enough stimulation by simulation. It didn't feel real enough, and there wasn't enough room for a player's good ideas to matter more than his bad stats. Even social interactions had been reduced to die rolls! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f621.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":mad:" title="Mad    :mad:"  data-smilie="4"data-shortname=":mad:" />For that matter, there wasn't enough room for a DM's nasty ideas to matter more than the PCs' good stats and healing magic, either. <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/devil.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":devil:" title="Devil    :devil:" data-shortname=":devil:" />Of course, the actual 4e went in exactly the opposite direction from what I'd hoped for. I'm still hoping for the "4e" that we never got.</blockquote>

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