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<blockquote data-quote="kengar" data-source="post: 240869" data-attributes="member: 3230"><p>Wow. Most of my points have already been made, but I'll post anyway since I just can't keep quiet. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></p><p></p><p>I never played Chainmail (partly because I just didn't get the rules), but I bought several of the minis to use for D&D monsters. The fact is, they are/were just too @#%$* expensive to buy more than a couple of each type. I suppose the logic on WotC's part was that since it was "skirmish" game and not for large-scale battles, the need for bunches of figures wasn't so great.</p><p></p><p>The problem is some gamers -like myself- want the minis for RPG, not wargaming. The lack of PC-type minis and the cost of something as simple as an orc was a turn-off.</p><p></p><p>One of the things GW does well are those boxes of plastic orcs/dwarves/elves/etc. You can get 6 or 8 critters for less than what you would pay for two Chanimail orcs. Granted, some of the GW stuff is a bit goofy for "normal" D&D, but for fighting a horde of goblins, a group of players is so impressed and into it when you place down a dozen or so painted figures that they aren't going to sweat the fact that one of the buggers is picking his nose (or whatever).</p><p></p><p>Even the metal minis from other companies (Ral Partha, etc.) weren't as much as the average cost from Chainmail. Chainmail had some <em>awesome</em> sculpting, but that talent might have been better spent on minis that could have been used as individual character minis for D&D than the monsters.</p><p></p><p>It takes a little looking sometimes to find a particular creature's mini; especially if you're trying to avoid the "cross-genre" one's like orcs with nail-guns and powered armor. Which is why I was initially so interested in the CM line, I figured this would be my source of 3e monster mini for the campaigns I ran. Sadly, between the cost and the lack of D&D gaming support in the product line, it didn't work out.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="kengar, post: 240869, member: 3230"] Wow. Most of my points have already been made, but I'll post anyway since I just can't keep quiet. :D I never played Chainmail (partly because I just didn't get the rules), but I bought several of the minis to use for D&D monsters. The fact is, they are/were just too @#%$* expensive to buy more than a couple of each type. I suppose the logic on WotC's part was that since it was "skirmish" game and not for large-scale battles, the need for bunches of figures wasn't so great. The problem is some gamers -like myself- want the minis for RPG, not wargaming. The lack of PC-type minis and the cost of something as simple as an orc was a turn-off. One of the things GW does well are those boxes of plastic orcs/dwarves/elves/etc. You can get 6 or 8 critters for less than what you would pay for two Chanimail orcs. Granted, some of the GW stuff is a bit goofy for "normal" D&D, but for fighting a horde of goblins, a group of players is so impressed and into it when you place down a dozen or so painted figures that they aren't going to sweat the fact that one of the buggers is picking his nose (or whatever). Even the metal minis from other companies (Ral Partha, etc.) weren't as much as the average cost from Chainmail. Chainmail had some [I]awesome[/I] sculpting, but that talent might have been better spent on minis that could have been used as individual character minis for D&D than the monsters. It takes a little looking sometimes to find a particular creature's mini; especially if you're trying to avoid the "cross-genre" one's like orcs with nail-guns and powered armor. Which is why I was initially so interested in the CM line, I figured this would be my source of 3e monster mini for the campaigns I ran. Sadly, between the cost and the lack of D&D gaming support in the product line, it didn't work out. [/QUOTE]
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