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<blockquote data-quote="ForceUser" data-source="post: 953026" data-attributes="member: 2785">That's a good point.I wouldn't have minded if the animal buff spells had all been changed to a flat duration of 1 minute, as with divine favor. One minute per level makes for a useless spell for my 12th-level cleric, who uses extended bull's strength and endurance on a daily basis rather than buying stat buffing items. That said, I don't particularly have a problem with the change; it frees up two 3rd-level spells slots, and that is not insignificant. The bright light at the end of the tunnel in 3.5, though, is the mass versions of the animal buffs. Mass bear's endurance at the beginning of the fight - that I can get into. I think the 10 min/level buff spells tend to be my least favorite, but that is mostly because of my DMs. They often do dick things like connect two sections of a dungeon with miles of tunnels (DM: &quot;Two hours later, you arrive at a massive door...&quot;) or space out wilderness encounters just enough so your &quot;10s&quot; run out right before the next encounter. I see your point for the usefulness of&nbsp; 1 min/level animal buffs for low level casters, as opposed to 1 round/level, but overall I am not a fan of 1 min/level buffs. In the games I play in we don't rush through places trying to get to the next encounter before our buffs run out, so that usually means that the &quot;1s&quot; are one-encounter spells. This is only annoying if more encounters follow later in the day when I am conveniently out of buff spells - as tends to happen in the games I play. I will miss the security blanket of hour/level stat buffs, and I will grumble at having to shell out the money for stat items, but overall I can be objective enough to agree that this is a good change for the game. Now go read my story hour!</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ForceUser, post: 953026, member: 2785"] That's a good point. [b][/b]I wouldn't have minded if the animal buff spells had all been changed to a flat duration of 1 minute, as with [i]divine favor[/i]. One minute per level makes for a useless spell for my 12th-level cleric, who uses extended [i]bull's strength[/i] and [i]endurance[/i] on a daily basis rather than buying stat buffing items. That said, I don't particularly have a problem with the change; it frees up two 3rd-level spells slots, and that is not insignificant. The bright light at the end of the tunnel in 3.5, though, is the mass versions of the animal buffs. [i]Mass bear's endurance[/i] at the beginning of the fight - that I can get into. [b][/B]I think the 10 min/level buff spells tend to be my least favorite, but that is mostly because of my DMs. They often do dick things like connect two sections of a dungeon with miles of tunnels (DM: "Two hours later, you arrive at a massive door...") or space out wilderness encounters just enough so your "10s" run out right before the next encounter. I see your point for the usefulness of 1 min/level animal buffs for low level casters, as opposed to 1 round/level, but overall I am not a fan of 1 min/level buffs. In the games I play in we don't rush through places trying to get to the next encounter before our buffs run out, so that usually means that the "1s" are one-encounter spells. This is only annoying if more encounters follow later in the day when I am conveniently out of buff spells - as tends to happen in the games I play. I will miss the security blanket of hour/level stat buffs, and I will grumble at having to shell out the money for stat items, but overall I can be objective enough to agree that this is a good change for the game. Now go read my story hour! [/QUOTE]

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