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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Psion" data-source="post: 2568883" data-attributes="member: 172">Well, I certainly feel like I have acheived less if I win, and it's that much worse of an inslut if I loose.Unless those of are some nasty goblins of considerable skill.It seems to me you are conflating two entirely different issues. Whether your game is more than a minis warfare game is entirely different than the level you play it at.Damned straight!I'm a minor actor in this world. One of the central draws of D&D is player empowerment.Sure. But don't presume to speak for the opposition. I think you presume the emphasis is on high level games much more than it actually is, but I actually slow down XP from the default advancement rate.Flame isn't necessary, but you help things if you don't argue the case with pejorative portrayals and building up false dichotomies and strawmen. I don't like spending lots of time at low levels, but I don't think I've ever etertained a single "god fight" or so much as a ring of ONE wish in my 3e gaming experience. And I won't discuss how much hyperbole a +2000 greatsword of planet cleaving is (I guess I just did. Oh well.)The thing is, you seem to speak as if low level games are somehow the exception. They aren't. They are exceedingly common.</blockquote>