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In the heat of battle, is hit point loss a wound?
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<blockquote data-quote="Mercutio01" data-source="post: 5956025" data-attributes="member: 37277"><p>You're right. I was thinking of Basic when I said that.</p><p></p><p>This is exactly my point. This makes the basic 1st Level PC start off so much more powerful than the regular Joe that it completely obviates an entire playstyle (that of average Joe who becomes a hero - like Bilbo Baggins or any number of other fantasy stories where regular people save the world through hard work, determination, and the drive to win).</p><p></p><p>Wait, what? Are you honestly trying to tell me that starting HP for a 1st level PC in 4E isn't vastly greater than in previous editions of D&D? You have got to be the first person who's ever argued that. The absolute maximum that a barbarian (with the largest hit die) could have, even in 3E (and spending a feat to get it) was 19. In 2E, the warrior had the highest hit die (d10) and the highest HP he could have at first level was 15.</p><p></p><p>I was comparing the 1st level character to a commoner in 4E (the rabble, a minion, with 1 HD, compared to average for 1st level characters in 4E which is 28 (27.5 rounded up). That gives the 1st level character in 4th Edition 28 times more hit points than the average Joe.</p><p></p><p>Taking the minimum from 4E (20) and comparing it to the max in AD&D (15) is disingenuous if that's what your using to compare starting HP. Comparing max to max gives the starting HP more than doubled, while starting HP for the average Joe is halved.</p><p></p><p>Those were looked up numbers and comparisons. As in, I had 4E, 3.5, and 2E books open to starting HP and comparing the first level characters of each to the commoners in each edition.</p><p></p><p>Starting HP for each edition (until 5E broke the curve, so far), is practically a Fibonacci sequence (1, 1, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34).</p><p>[code]PCs NPCs</p><p>OD -- 1-6 1</p><p>BD -- 1-6 1</p><p>AD -- 1-15 2</p><p>3E -- 4-19 4</p><p>4E -- 20-35 1</p><p>5E -- 16-20 5[/code]</p><p>That makes the ratios:</p><p>6:1</p><p>6:1</p><p>7.5:1</p><p>4.75:1</p><p>35:1</p><p>4:1</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mercutio01, post: 5956025, member: 37277"] You're right. I was thinking of Basic when I said that. This is exactly my point. This makes the basic 1st Level PC start off so much more powerful than the regular Joe that it completely obviates an entire playstyle (that of average Joe who becomes a hero - like Bilbo Baggins or any number of other fantasy stories where regular people save the world through hard work, determination, and the drive to win). Wait, what? Are you honestly trying to tell me that starting HP for a 1st level PC in 4E isn't vastly greater than in previous editions of D&D? You have got to be the first person who's ever argued that. The absolute maximum that a barbarian (with the largest hit die) could have, even in 3E (and spending a feat to get it) was 19. In 2E, the warrior had the highest hit die (d10) and the highest HP he could have at first level was 15. I was comparing the 1st level character to a commoner in 4E (the rabble, a minion, with 1 HD, compared to average for 1st level characters in 4E which is 28 (27.5 rounded up). That gives the 1st level character in 4th Edition 28 times more hit points than the average Joe. Taking the minimum from 4E (20) and comparing it to the max in AD&D (15) is disingenuous if that's what your using to compare starting HP. Comparing max to max gives the starting HP more than doubled, while starting HP for the average Joe is halved. Those were looked up numbers and comparisons. As in, I had 4E, 3.5, and 2E books open to starting HP and comparing the first level characters of each to the commoners in each edition. Starting HP for each edition (until 5E broke the curve, so far), is practically a Fibonacci sequence (1, 1, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34). [code]PCs NPCs OD -- 1-6 1 BD -- 1-6 1 AD -- 1-15 2 3E -- 4-19 4 4E -- 20-35 1 5E -- 16-20 5[/code] That makes the ratios: 6:1 6:1 7.5:1 4.75:1 35:1 4:1 [/QUOTE]
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