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<blockquote data-quote="thedungeondelver" data-source="post: 5798516" data-attributes="member: 34865"><p><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'">Let me just say this about that...</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'">One thing I found the more I delved (ha!) into the online <strong>D&D</strong> community is/was that there are a lot of people with a hateboner for <strong>AD&D </strong>because they had really crappy powermonger DMs who thought the game was a wargame between them and the players, and a good DM tried - actively - to beat the players, and because the DM was the arbiter of the rules they could then break the rules to "win" over the other players.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'">This is a twisting of the intent given in the <strong>DUNGEON MASTERS GUIDE</strong> (which can be boiled down to this: challenge the players, don't give them a break, but adhere to the rules). But the net result is that, again, people felt angry about it (and I have seen some downright hatred over it too). </span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'">On the other hand, there are people whose gaming experiences with <strong>AD&D</strong> are entirely alien to that - so when they talk about "how they played the game", its entirely the other.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'">Ultimately when you talk about a game that plays "in the style of" older editions, you're talking about something indefinable. I'd wager Mike Mearls and others' gaming experiences are probably not the same as mine with <strong>AD&D</strong>. The result of that is that in a year or six months or whenever <strong>D&D</strong><em>n</em> hits, and <strong>they</strong> say "You can emulate the play style of <strong>AD&D</strong> with it - we did it in the playtests, by gum"...well, it's going to be a little different (a LOT different) than what I'm expecting.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'">This is why I've said I want <strong>D&D</strong><em>n</em> to be a <strong>good second game</strong>. A <strong>D&D</strong> game I'll willingly play when others don't want to play <strong>AD&D</strong> instead of grudgingly play because it's that or nothing. Because I know it won't <strong>be</strong> as good as <strong>AD&D</strong> the way I like it, because it can't, because it's not designed by me, and because it's not <strong>AD&D </strong>to begin with. If the settings can be adjusted to be close to <strong>AD&D</strong> by dint of DM options, it'll be that. If there's a bunch of hard-wired 4e and 3e (and 2e) -isms in the game that <strong>cannot</strong> be changed, but Mr. Mearls & Cook say to me "But...but this is how we <strong>always</strong> played <strong>AD&D.</strong>" then I'm afraid it won't be the game for me.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Century Gothic'"></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="thedungeondelver, post: 5798516, member: 34865"] [FONT=Century Gothic]Let me just say this about that... One thing I found the more I delved (ha!) into the online [B]D&D[/B] community is/was that there are a lot of people with a hateboner for [B]AD&D [/B]because they had really crappy powermonger DMs who thought the game was a wargame between them and the players, and a good DM tried - actively - to beat the players, and because the DM was the arbiter of the rules they could then break the rules to "win" over the other players. This is a twisting of the intent given in the [B]DUNGEON MASTERS GUIDE[/B] (which can be boiled down to this: challenge the players, don't give them a break, but adhere to the rules). But the net result is that, again, people felt angry about it (and I have seen some downright hatred over it too). On the other hand, there are people whose gaming experiences with [B]AD&D[/B] are entirely alien to that - so when they talk about "how they played the game", its entirely the other. Ultimately when you talk about a game that plays "in the style of" older editions, you're talking about something indefinable. I'd wager Mike Mearls and others' gaming experiences are probably not the same as mine with [B]AD&D[/B]. The result of that is that in a year or six months or whenever [B]D&D[/B][I]n[/I] hits, and [B]they[/B] say "You can emulate the play style of [B]AD&D[/B] with it - we did it in the playtests, by gum"...well, it's going to be a little different (a LOT different) than what I'm expecting. This is why I've said I want [B]D&D[/B][I]n[/I] to be a [B]good second game[/B]. A [B]D&D[/B] game I'll willingly play when others don't want to play [B]AD&D[/B] instead of grudgingly play because it's that or nothing. Because I know it won't [B]be[/B] as good as [B]AD&D[/B] the way I like it, because it can't, because it's not designed by me, and because it's not [B]AD&D [/B]to begin with. If the settings can be adjusted to be close to [B]AD&D[/B] by dint of DM options, it'll be that. If there's a bunch of hard-wired 4e and 3e (and 2e) -isms in the game that [B]cannot[/B] be changed, but Mr. Mearls & Cook say to me "But...but this is how we [B]always[/B] played [B]AD&D.[/B]" then I'm afraid it won't be the game for me. [/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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