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<blockquote data-quote="I'm A Banana" data-source="post: 5448872" data-attributes="member: 2067"><p>I think some people are getting too caught up in definitions.</p><p></p><p>Vampires have meant different things to different people over different cultures in different time periods. From Vlad Dracul to Nosferatu to Bela Lugosi to Castlevania to Goth Kids to Team Edward to hopping vampires, even working in various blood-sucking undead from around the world, we've got a lot of mutually exclusive things under that umbrella.</p><p></p><p>The evil and weaknesses of the classic gothic vampire (garlic, needs to be invited in, sunlight, etc.) are not inherent to the thing as much as they are useful for a particular end. In this case, the end being a horror villain in a story. Vampires in that case work well with a good weakness, since it allows the protagonists to be clever when they're up against an indomitable power. Not being able to cross running water isn't any more "canon" than sparkles (and it's a fair bet more people know the latter than the former). </p><p></p><p>I'd imagine the vampire created as a class will be a vampire suitable for use as a D&D character. That is, a heroic protagonist, who can go on any adventure alongside the rogue and the fighter, and bring his own unique powers to bear. It'll harken back to various vampire archetypes, but it won't be tethered to them. It won't need an invitation from the evil overlord to go into his palace and kill him, it won't force the party to go attack the dragon at night since he'll die in sunlight, and it won't consume party members in their sleep.</p><p></p><p>It might summon clouds of bats, fly around, shroud enemies in darkness, and grow stronger by killing things. It might have a charming gaze. It might turn into a wolf. It might climb walls. It might have a lot of grabs and do ongoing damage from bleeding. It might gain bonuses for attacking bloodied enemies.</p><p></p><p>And that's fine. That can be a vampire, too. I could even see running such a vampire up against am ore "classic gothic vampire" threat. Of course, if he's in a party with a Killoren, a Warforged, a Shardmind, and a Genasi, I'm not sure any of them will ever be considered prey (unless perhaps the vampire has a thing for maple-syrup-flavored blood in the case of the killoren). </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I like a diverse way of dipping into it, but it can get weird. Vampire-Dhampyr-Vryloka-Revenant? I'm not necessarily against it, but it seems...um...like a lot of Vampire for one character. It's weird, but maybe it's fine. </p><p></p><p>At the very least, it's not Shadowmage-Shadetouched-Darkshadow-Shadowborn. Horrah for better naming conventions! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="I'm A Banana, post: 5448872, member: 2067"] I think some people are getting too caught up in definitions. Vampires have meant different things to different people over different cultures in different time periods. From Vlad Dracul to Nosferatu to Bela Lugosi to Castlevania to Goth Kids to Team Edward to hopping vampires, even working in various blood-sucking undead from around the world, we've got a lot of mutually exclusive things under that umbrella. The evil and weaknesses of the classic gothic vampire (garlic, needs to be invited in, sunlight, etc.) are not inherent to the thing as much as they are useful for a particular end. In this case, the end being a horror villain in a story. Vampires in that case work well with a good weakness, since it allows the protagonists to be clever when they're up against an indomitable power. Not being able to cross running water isn't any more "canon" than sparkles (and it's a fair bet more people know the latter than the former). I'd imagine the vampire created as a class will be a vampire suitable for use as a D&D character. That is, a heroic protagonist, who can go on any adventure alongside the rogue and the fighter, and bring his own unique powers to bear. It'll harken back to various vampire archetypes, but it won't be tethered to them. It won't need an invitation from the evil overlord to go into his palace and kill him, it won't force the party to go attack the dragon at night since he'll die in sunlight, and it won't consume party members in their sleep. It might summon clouds of bats, fly around, shroud enemies in darkness, and grow stronger by killing things. It might have a charming gaze. It might turn into a wolf. It might climb walls. It might have a lot of grabs and do ongoing damage from bleeding. It might gain bonuses for attacking bloodied enemies. And that's fine. That can be a vampire, too. I could even see running such a vampire up against am ore "classic gothic vampire" threat. Of course, if he's in a party with a Killoren, a Warforged, a Shardmind, and a Genasi, I'm not sure any of them will ever be considered prey (unless perhaps the vampire has a thing for maple-syrup-flavored blood in the case of the killoren). I like a diverse way of dipping into it, but it can get weird. Vampire-Dhampyr-Vryloka-Revenant? I'm not necessarily against it, but it seems...um...like a lot of Vampire for one character. It's weird, but maybe it's fine. At the very least, it's not Shadowmage-Shadetouched-Darkshadow-Shadowborn. Horrah for better naming conventions! :) [/QUOTE]
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