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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Elf Witch" data-source="post: 5740896" data-attributes="member: 9037">This really does not have anything to do with being a grown up. I have played with people who have very busy lives and we get together once a month for four hours to play. Believe me it is no fun to sit out a combat and twiddle your thumbs. And since combat can take a while it is hardly just a few minutes you are sitting there.So in that game we got rid of a few things for example you can't die. If you get knocked to -10 you face a consequence of dropping a level but you are just knocked out.As I said I fudge for players who don't enjoy death in the game especially if it going to be permanent. Who is to say their fun is any less important to the player who does not mind dying. And no I don't think they are being any less a grown up than the other player they just play for different things.  I think it is hard to compare RPGs with board games yes they use dice but they are not as involved you are not creating a character and a story. Board games are about winning RPGs are about exploration, role playing and cooperative play. Also RPGs for the most part are ongoing you don't usually play just one session and then start and all over new game with new characters. When I play con games I don't care if my character lives or dies if the DM wants to roll in the open then fine the reason I feel this way is because it is a one shot and I have not put a lot of work and planning in my character. As for the OP question about other games that allow fudging how about video and computer games with the cheat books that help make the game easier.I don't play them but I see them for sale and I have seen my son and roommate buy them. So I guess technically that is cheating but if it makes the game more fun who cares.</blockquote>

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