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<blockquote data-quote="Garnfellow" data-source="post: 5035884" data-attributes="member: 1223">I think the only design goal was to remove or significantly alter monsters that most clearly screamed &quot;DEMON!!!!&quot; to the angry mother crowd. (And no, I don't think the designers were at all consistent in their decisions. How does the succubus get a pass? Anyway, this is the sort of stupidly arbitrary stuff you get with self-censorship.)You can call Demogorgon with his weird jumbled anatomy the &quot;Prince of Tanar'ri&quot; and to your average mother, he's just a very odd monster.But there's no simple paint job that can be dropped on Orcus or Graz'zt. A grossly fat, ram-headed figure with bat wings and serpent's tail? You can call him a modron all day long, but he sure looks like a DEMON!!! to an angry mom.I think the Kiaransalee backstory was just a way for the designers to salvage at least some good out of the whole censorship mess. Orcus was gone, yes, but at least he was still acknowledged within the canon . . . and the door was open for an eventual return.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Garnfellow, post: 5035884, member: 1223"] I think the only design goal was to remove or significantly alter monsters that most clearly screamed "DEMON!!!!" to the angry mother crowd. (And no, I don't think the designers were at all consistent in their decisions. How does the succubus get a pass? Anyway, this is the sort of stupidly arbitrary stuff you get with self-censorship.) You can call Demogorgon with his weird jumbled anatomy the "Prince of Tanar'ri" and to your average mother, he's just a very odd monster. But there's no simple paint job that can be dropped on Orcus or Graz'zt. A grossly fat, ram-headed figure with bat wings and serpent's tail? You can call him a modron all day long, but he sure looks like a DEMON!!! to an angry mom. I think the Kiaransalee backstory was just a way for the designers to salvage at least some good out of the whole censorship mess. Orcus was gone, yes, but at least he was still acknowledged within the canon . . . and the door was open for an eventual return. [/QUOTE]

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