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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Technik4" data-source="post: 644215" data-attributes="member: 7211">Characters most likely to get this prc:Wizard 5Feats: Scribe Scroll, Skill Focus: Knowledge (planes), 2 other metamagic feats. If human, one other feat.Human Sorc 6Feats: Education, Skill Focus: Knowledge (planes), 2 other metamagic feats.In both cases, you are essentially costing the player 1 (or for sorc, 2 feats) and 10 skill points (knowledge (planes). Most campaigns have wizards and sorc that max knowledge (arcana) and spellcraft and concentration, so those dont make that great of prereqs. Kinda like requiring a ranger prc to have a certain number of ranks in Wilderness Lore.  Most campaigns also give sorc something, usually eschew materials at 1st, or some give metamagic as often as wizards. Regardless, both are getting in at the first moment they can cast 3rd level spells, and that they qualify for the skill ranks.So, my recommendation is to require a certain number of abjuration spells. I think loremaster requires 7, thats a good number. You have to be sufficiently abjuration-inclined to take this prc.As for the abilities, if youd like to look on this thread: <a href="http://enworld.cyberstreet.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=37902" target="_blank">http://enworld.cyberstreet.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=37902</a> you will notice there is a large debate about prc in general. I contend that if you are making a prc to shore up weaknesses in some multiclass combinations, you should offer full spell-casting. However, for the prc that are designed for flavor, campaign, or niche spots if you give something powerful (at this point youll have to admit incantrix is powerful, largely considered the most broken prc ever printed by WotC) you must somehow limit them. 7/10 or 8/10 spell-casting is a good start. Furthermore, in this case I would recommend that you make enhanced specialization like it is with the red wizard prc, which I reprint here in case you dont have it:Enhanced Specialization: Upon becoming a Red Wizard, the character increases his devotion to his wizard school of specialiation. In exchange for this, the Red Wizard must sacrifice study in one or more schools. The Red Wizard must choose an additional prohibited school or schools using the rules on page 54 of the phb. He can never again learn spells from those prohibited schools. He cannot choose the same prohibited schools he chose as a 1st level wizard. He can still use the prohibited spells he knew prior to becoming a Red Wizard, including using items that are activated by spell completion or spell trigger.This is truly "enhanced specialization". The version in the incantrix prc is simply "specialization not at 1st level". Of course, youre thinking that the red wizard prc you already must be a specialist, and therefore have at least 1 level as an evoker. True. However so that incantrices are available for all classes, merely make them pay the price twice. This will mean you have cut yourself off from 2-3 schools of magic completely. Even then you could choose Enchantment and Illusion and miss them about as much as an evoker, but it more of a loss than losing 1 of those schools. Its a payment, its a choice.I notice that you did do away with 1 bonus feat, at 10th level. As you suggested, I would also get rid of the bonus feat at 1st level. (in my example of a wiz5, he would get 2 more feats at 6th level...too many feats). There are 2 other abilities which I think dont really fit the class, and that is Hardy Spirit and Drain Item. These are further benefits to a class that does not need them, and really dont apply very well (what does seeing ethereal creatures and metamagic have to do with death effects?).As erattad, Instant Metamagic is still powerful but not as bad as I thought. Is Improved metamagic erattad so that it applies to the final metamagic total? As in if I cast an empowered quickened fireball is it 8th level or 7th level?With this in mind, I have edited my post to reflect a more accurate prc, still one with full spellcasting progression and one without full spell progression.Technik</blockquote>

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