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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 3035689" data-attributes="member: 2011"><p>You are not going to kill those black dragons with Cooperative Metamagic. Your buddy is going to kill them (maybe).</p><p></p><p>This seems like a poor way to take on a Dragon.</p><p></p><p>Instead of you casting a spell at a Dragon and your buddy casting a spell at it, your buddy is going to cast a metamagic spell at it and you are not going to cast anything.</p><p></p><p>Cooperative Metamagic is good ahead of time for buff spells and the like, but not as good in combat since you give up two actions for one superior action.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>First off, Improved Metamagic does not occur until the Incantatrix is 10th level. The PC you are discussing is 3 levels away from that.</p><p></p><p>Also, as a DM, I would not let these stack. It can be way too abusive. However, literally according to RAW, they probably do stack.</p><p></p><p>-1 level is really potent. -2 levels could be really devastating when a PC eventually has 4 potent metamagic feats on his Cone of Cold.</p><p></p><p>At 15th level with 8th level spells, that means that a PC could have 15D6 Empowered Maximized Repeat Cone of Cold. So, 116 average points of damage on round one followed by 116 average points of damage in round two for anyone still in the area or who entered the area in the meantime. All from one spell. I would not allow this. YMMV.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 3035689, member: 2011"] You are not going to kill those black dragons with Cooperative Metamagic. Your buddy is going to kill them (maybe). This seems like a poor way to take on a Dragon. Instead of you casting a spell at a Dragon and your buddy casting a spell at it, your buddy is going to cast a metamagic spell at it and you are not going to cast anything. Cooperative Metamagic is good ahead of time for buff spells and the like, but not as good in combat since you give up two actions for one superior action. First off, Improved Metamagic does not occur until the Incantatrix is 10th level. The PC you are discussing is 3 levels away from that. Also, as a DM, I would not let these stack. It can be way too abusive. However, literally according to RAW, they probably do stack. -1 level is really potent. -2 levels could be really devastating when a PC eventually has 4 potent metamagic feats on his Cone of Cold. At 15th level with 8th level spells, that means that a PC could have 15D6 Empowered Maximized Repeat Cone of Cold. So, 116 average points of damage on round one followed by 116 average points of damage in round two for anyone still in the area or who entered the area in the meantime. All from one spell. I would not allow this. YMMV. [/QUOTE]
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