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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 3041483" data-attributes="member: 2011">Actually, you are correct on this. I forgot about the errata on Improved Metamagic.Course, that is why Cooperative Metamagic should have been errataed in the exact same way.However, it is still potent.18th level Sorcerer with 30 Cha could normally do a max of 4 9th level metamagic spells (i.e. the actually spells are 8th level or lower, but they are metamagicked into the equivalent of a 9th level spell). He has no 9th level slots left over though.8th level Sorcerer / 10th level Incantratrix with 30 Cha could theoretically do 73 9th level metamagic spells. The difference is that if he does say 40 of these types of spells, he could still have all of his 9th level spell slots still available for the day. Improved Metamagic is a huge ability.The layer that Arcane Thesis adds is that one type of spell could allow the Sorcerer to do this and have even more higher level slots still available. Plus, the text on Arcane Thesis does not have the same limitation that Improved Metamagic does. So theoretically, you could cast a 10th level equivalent spell with Arcane Thesis Improved Metamagic. For example:Without Improved Metamagic, the Arcane Thesis Empowered Maximized Cone of Cold would be a 9th level spell. With Improved Metamagic, this would be a 7th level spell.However, you are correct. It is the Improved Metamagic that brings most of the umph to the table. Arcane Thesis just makes a very potent ability even more potent.</blockquote>

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