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<blockquote data-quote="Scion" data-source="post: 2404426" data-attributes="member: 5777"><p>I am afraid that I have no real idea what you are talking about here.</p><p></p><p>The literal reading of the phrase, 'divine caster' is 'someone who casts divine spells'. There is no reason to assume that it means 'someone who can only cast divine spells'.</p><p></p><p>If I have a red ball that has very small blue dots and I call it a red ball am I correct? Sure, it is a red ball. That isnt the whole case, it is actually a red ball with blue dots.</p><p></p><p>Generally for that sort of description we look for what is in the majority and describe it as such.</p><p></p><p>For other types of items we dont do that. Going back to the policeman/fireman guy, it doesnt matter to me if he only works as a policeman 2 days a week and a fireman the other 5 days, he will work for either job I need him for in an emergency.</p><p></p><p>A literal reading of 'divine caster' is simply 'someone who can cast divine spells'. I think that you really have to stretch the wording horribly out of shape to read 'divine caster' as 'someone who can only cast divine spells'. That is much too limiting based on what it says.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So you are saying that since rest is described as something that casters must do to prepare spells then they are the only ones who must rest?</p><p></p><p>No, anyone can pray and meditate. But in order to regain spells a divine caster must do these actions at a certain time of day in a specific way. This does not limit doing it at any other time, or for any other character, they just wont gain spells from it.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I just dont understand though. You are saying that a subset is not a subset and that something which says one thing actually means the most restrictive case possible and means that in the real world. But this just isnt the case as far as I can tell.</p><p></p><p>I know a guy with two degrees, physics and engineering. Does this mean that you cannot call him a physicist? no, he is a physicist. Does this mean you cannot call him an engineer? no, he is an engineer. Is he both? yes.</p><p></p><p>But, he can get a job that only phsycists can get, even if they dont need an engineer. He can get a job that only an engineer can get, even if they dont need a physicist. Plus he can get a job that needs someone who can do both.</p><p></p><p>Just because he is both does not mean that he does not count as either. He counts as each one and both, not just both.</p><p></p><p>This is as real world as you can get. If I ask for a physicist he is perfectly in the clear to raise his hand, also being an engineer does not preclude him from being a physicist.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Scion, post: 2404426, member: 5777"] I am afraid that I have no real idea what you are talking about here. The literal reading of the phrase, 'divine caster' is 'someone who casts divine spells'. There is no reason to assume that it means 'someone who can only cast divine spells'. If I have a red ball that has very small blue dots and I call it a red ball am I correct? Sure, it is a red ball. That isnt the whole case, it is actually a red ball with blue dots. Generally for that sort of description we look for what is in the majority and describe it as such. For other types of items we dont do that. Going back to the policeman/fireman guy, it doesnt matter to me if he only works as a policeman 2 days a week and a fireman the other 5 days, he will work for either job I need him for in an emergency. A literal reading of 'divine caster' is simply 'someone who can cast divine spells'. I think that you really have to stretch the wording horribly out of shape to read 'divine caster' as 'someone who can only cast divine spells'. That is much too limiting based on what it says. So you are saying that since rest is described as something that casters must do to prepare spells then they are the only ones who must rest? No, anyone can pray and meditate. But in order to regain spells a divine caster must do these actions at a certain time of day in a specific way. This does not limit doing it at any other time, or for any other character, they just wont gain spells from it. I just dont understand though. You are saying that a subset is not a subset and that something which says one thing actually means the most restrictive case possible and means that in the real world. But this just isnt the case as far as I can tell. I know a guy with two degrees, physics and engineering. Does this mean that you cannot call him a physicist? no, he is a physicist. Does this mean you cannot call him an engineer? no, he is an engineer. Is he both? yes. But, he can get a job that only phsycists can get, even if they dont need an engineer. He can get a job that only an engineer can get, even if they dont need a physicist. Plus he can get a job that needs someone who can do both. Just because he is both does not mean that he does not count as either. He counts as each one and both, not just both. This is as real world as you can get. If I ask for a physicist he is perfectly in the clear to raise his hand, also being an engineer does not preclude him from being a physicist. [/QUOTE]
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