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<blockquote data-quote="jlhorner1974" data-source="post: 611719" data-attributes="member: 8628">If they had just deleted the word &quot;touch&quot; from the spectre's Monter Manual entry, this would work like everyone expects and this would be a non issue.I personally will house rule that incorporeal creatures do not make touch attacks but instead make regular incorporeal attacks, so the incorporeal creature does have to get through the defender's armor if it is ghost touch or made of force.I think the designers just saw the obvious similarities between an incorporeal creature's normal attack and a touch attack and misstated the way the spectre's attack works.They both ignore armor, but difference is, of course, that a normal attack from an incorporeal creature is subject to armor that is ghost touch or made of force, while a touch attack always ignores armor, not matter what kind it is (since you only need to touch it and not penetrate it).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="jlhorner1974, post: 611719, member: 8628"] If they had just deleted the word "touch" from the spectre's Monter Manual entry, this would work like everyone expects and this would be a non issue. I personally will house rule that incorporeal creatures do not make touch attacks but instead make regular incorporeal attacks, so the incorporeal creature does have to get through the defender's armor if it is ghost touch or made of force. I think the designers just saw the obvious similarities between an incorporeal creature's normal attack and a touch attack and misstated the way the spectre's attack works. They both ignore armor, but difference is, of course, that a normal attack from an incorporeal creature is subject to armor that is ghost touch or made of force, while a touch attack always ignores armor, not matter what kind it is (since you only need to touch it and not penetrate it). [/QUOTE]

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