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<blockquote data-quote="Aelf" data-source="post: 3439497" data-attributes="member: 32274"><p>These questions are based on a recent shadow encounter.</p><p></p><p>Since a creature can't move through an opponent's square and can't end movement in an occupied square (I have yet to find an exception for incorporeals) it seems a party could align itself in a 5' corridor where only the characters at the front and back of the line could be directly attacked by the shadow.</p><p></p><p>Now, the shadow could hide in a wall/floor/etc and attempt to target (via listen - a difficult check) characters it couldn't see or simply attack nearby 'invisible' characters recognizing that the attacked chars would have 50% concealment.</p><p></p><p>Barring some clarification that I've missed; these are my impressions of RAW.</p><p></p><p>My questions:</p><p></p><p>1. This setup contracdicts the expected outcome of a shade/ghost/etc floating 'through' opponents in a terrifying manner. This is a mechanical issue that reduces the enjoyment of encounters. How do other DMs judge this?</p><p></p><p>2. Clever players (without turning) might try to hold an attack/spell waiting for the shadow to attack them from an adjacent square (within the wall). However, since the shadow never leaves the wall, and the characters' weapons don't normally penatrate walls, it seems the shadow would be immune to being hit. Again, how do other DMs judge this?</p><p></p><p>Any feedback on how you folks handle this is appreciated!</p><p></p><p>Regards,</p><p>Aelf</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Aelf, post: 3439497, member: 32274"] These questions are based on a recent shadow encounter. Since a creature can't move through an opponent's square and can't end movement in an occupied square (I have yet to find an exception for incorporeals) it seems a party could align itself in a 5' corridor where only the characters at the front and back of the line could be directly attacked by the shadow. Now, the shadow could hide in a wall/floor/etc and attempt to target (via listen - a difficult check) characters it couldn't see or simply attack nearby 'invisible' characters recognizing that the attacked chars would have 50% concealment. Barring some clarification that I've missed; these are my impressions of RAW. My questions: 1. This setup contracdicts the expected outcome of a shade/ghost/etc floating 'through' opponents in a terrifying manner. This is a mechanical issue that reduces the enjoyment of encounters. How do other DMs judge this? 2. Clever players (without turning) might try to hold an attack/spell waiting for the shadow to attack them from an adjacent square (within the wall). However, since the shadow never leaves the wall, and the characters' weapons don't normally penatrate walls, it seems the shadow would be immune to being hit. Again, how do other DMs judge this? Any feedback on how you folks handle this is appreciated! Regards, Aelf [/QUOTE]
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