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<blockquote data-quote="Sunseeker" data-source="post: 6740444">I think it depends largely on what you're holding.&nbsp; The Evil Lord that could kick the party's collective butts if they're not held for a couple rounds?&nbsp; Yeah, I can see more rounds, but then, the Evil Lord is tougher, so it is naturally less likely to stick, I think that makes sense.&nbsp; Holding off a guard or two for a round?&nbsp; Really came in hand tonight.&nbsp; Guard was held off for one round, bought us some time.That's really the trick to spells with saves.&nbsp; Getting a good feel for your enemy and making sure to use your good DCs vs their bad saves.&nbsp; Frightful presence is great against foot soldiers who typically have low Wisdom.&nbsp; Strength saves/grapple checks (Evards Black Tentacles for example) are less so, same with clouds of poision forcing con saves.The alternative to good DCs v. bad saves is simply forcing a LOT of saves.&nbsp; Like the Monk burning ki to force con saves.&nbsp; You can force 4 con saves in a single round if you're 5th level of higher.&nbsp; Statistically, they're likely to fail one of them.&nbsp; Great way to waste legendary resistances.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Sunseeker, post: 6740444"] I think it depends largely on [I]what[/I] you're holding. The Evil Lord that could kick the party's collective butts if they're not held for a couple rounds? Yeah, I can see more rounds, but then, the Evil Lord is tougher, so it is naturally less likely to stick, I think that makes sense. Holding off a guard or two for a round? Really came in hand tonight. Guard was held off for one round, bought us some time. That's really the trick to spells with saves. Getting a good feel for your enemy and making sure to use your good DCs vs their bad saves. Frightful presence is great against foot soldiers who typically have low Wisdom. Strength saves/grapple checks (Evards Black Tentacles for example) are less so, same with clouds of poision forcing con saves. The alternative to good DCs v. bad saves is simply forcing a LOT of saves. Like the Monk burning ki to force con saves. You can force 4 con saves in a single round if you're 5th level of higher. Statistically, they're likely to fail one of them. Great way to waste legendary resistances. [/QUOTE]

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