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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Manbearcat" data-source="post: 8314702" data-attributes="member: 6696971">I don't know about this to be honest with you (my "I don't know here" not being objection...but being literal...I don't feel confident either way).I've been involved in a lot of conversations (even recently) that are all over the map in terms of people who claim to be sim enthusiasts who say a lot of patently "not-sim-things" either because (a) they're unfortunately ignorant as to how a thing actually works (eg they've internalized a mental model that is just not correct...it smuggles in stuff from media or their own unexamined life experience or a bad heuristic or something) or (b) they're philosophically or cognitively disinclined to believe the present scientifically understood reality about a phenomena (eg "actual agency" vs "perceived agency") or (c) their status as "sim enthusiasts" is on shifting grounds (despite their protests to the contrary) and they really mean "I'm a sim enthusiast when it pleases me to be...but 'eff all that noise' when it competes with another priority that I have."The only thing I know is that (a) + (b) + (c) makes conversations around these kinds of things incredibly fraught.  It becomes particularly fraught when someone is brashly assertive about something that they're fundamentally wrong about.  I have no clue how people on here perceive me (probably a lot of you think I'm an aggressive jerk), but my actual instinct is to be kind.  But I honestly have no idea how to move someone off of their flawed mental model (when they are brashly and assertively wrong about something - eg how the intricacies of a person's neurological loop is the primary causal factor in their ability to get their body to suddenly and correctly respond to spatial relationships) without (a) putting a lot of word count into it and therefore (b) coming off like a jerk to certain parties.  People's "ah ha" moments are different (in both frequency and how it occurs).  The unfortunate reality is that these sorts of environments don't make for the sort of slow-moving exchanges underwritten by "massage people's tender egos" + 10 % what you say and 90 % how you say it dynamics.  If humanity survives another 100 years, my guess is our descendants will look back upon internet forums and the like (especially social media) and declare WHAT IN THE EFF WERE THESE STUPID MONKEYS THINKING?!</blockquote>

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