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<blockquote data-quote="Jack7" data-source="post: 4613715" data-attributes="member: 54707"><p>I don't have a lot of time right now because of the deadline on my paper for the Navy. But I noticed some interesting comments and sources made in this thread and I appreciate them. I think many here will find them useful. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That's an interesting observation from my point of view for two reasons. 1. I have also often noticed the similarity between poetic sagas and epic works - and fantasy gaming, it seeming to me that fantasy games are often a sort of <em>"poetic saga"</em> reenacted, and so it reminds me a lot of a poetic stage-play, with a chief "background" bard or skald who is the DM/GM, and several supporting poets, the players. 2. I have recently come to view, through my work with simulations and Virtual Reality, that RPG gaming is an early form of imaginative (or non-technological, though nowadays technology is overlapping the medium at the edges) Virtual Reality. If mixed in the proper way with other technologies it could have far wider applications than merely gaming.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I completely concur with that Ydars and I'm gonna create a thread on that theme, as well as write a paper about it entitled,<em><strong> History as Sympathetic Novelty.</strong></em> By the way, in doing some background research I found out that Tolkien probably developed his idea of the Black Gate to Murder from the Iron Gate separating Eastern Europe from the Byzantine Empire, and that the way Minas Tirith was laid out and arranged was based largely on aspects of Constantinople, as well as other historical cities.</p><p></p><p>Here are some of my useful internet links. I'll post more sources when I get the time but now I'm very busy. These are a mix of history, research, scientific, religious, open source governmental, mapping, military and other such sources. A lot of these sources come from my files and are based on my old contacts but I think each link is probably still valid. If you find a broken link then let me know and I'll correct it.</p><p></p><p></p><p><strong>INTERNET SOURCES</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong><a href="http://www.romereborn.virginia.edu/" target="_blank">Rome Reborn 2.0</a></strong></p><p><strong><a href="http://www.thebanmappingproject.com/" target="_blank">Theban Mapping Project</a></strong></p><p><strong><a href="http://historymedren.about.com/cs/people/a/aboutwho.htm" target="_blank">Who's Who in Medieval History and the Renaissance</a></strong></p><p><strong><a href="http://www.loc.gov/rr/" target="_blank">For Researchers (Library of Congress)</a></strong></p><p><strong><a href="http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/index.html" target="_blank">Perry-Castañeda Library Map Collection - UT Library Online</a></strong></p><p><strong><a href="http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/byzantium/refdocs.html" target="_blank">Byzantine Reference Documents</a></strong></p><p><strong><a href="http://www.doaks.org/Hagio.html" target="_blank">Hagiography Database - Home</a></strong></p><p><strong><a href="http://www.deremilitari.org/" target="_blank">De Re Militari: The Society for Medieval Military History</a></strong></p><p><strong><a href="http://www.crimeandclues.com/" target="_blank">Crime and Clues</a></strong></p><p><strong><a href="http://www.usdoj.gov/" target="_blank">United States Department of Justice</a></strong></p><p><strong><a href="http://www.usdoj.gov/usncb/" target="_blank">U.S. National Central Bureau of INTERPOL</a></strong></p><p><strong><a href="http://www.necrosearch.com/" target="_blank">NecroSearch International</a></strong></p><p><strong><a href="http://www.usmarshals.gov/" target="_blank">U.S. Marshals Home Page</a></strong></p><p><strong><a href="http://www.cicentre.com/index.html" target="_blank">CI CENTRE | Centre for Counterintelligence and Security Studies--Premiere Counterintelligence, Counterterrorism and Security training, education, awareness, analysis, research and consulting by veteran senior intelligence experts from the FBI, CIA, D</a></strong></p><p><strong><a href="http://www.carlisle.army.mil/" target="_blank">US Army War College</a></strong></p><p><strong><a href="http://www.isis-online.org/" target="_blank">Institute for Science and International Security</a></strong></p><p><strong><a href="http://www.fas.org/irp/doddir/army/" target="_blank">Army Intelligence and Security Doctrine</a></strong></p><p><strong><a href="http://www.darpa.mil/" target="_blank">DARPA | Home</a></strong></p><p><strong><a href="http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/ancient/asbook.html" target="_blank">Internet Ancient History Sourcebook: Main Page</a></strong></p><p><strong><a href="http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~loxias/oldindex.htm" target="_blank">The Classics Pages - Home Page: Main Site Index</a></strong></p><p><strong><a href="http://www.bible-history.com/resource/ww_wwar.htm" target="_blank">Weapons and Warfare in the Ancient World</a></strong></p><p><strong><a href="http://labyrinth.georgetown.edu/" target="_blank">The Labyrinth</a></strong></p><p><strong><a href="http://www.nano.gov/" target="_blank">National Nanotechnology Initiative</a></strong></p><p><strong><a href="http://www.mit.edu/research/" target="_blank">MIT - research</a></strong></p><p><strong><a href="http://www.gbt.org/guide.html" target="_blank">Classical Curriculum Guide</a></strong></p><p><strong><a href="http://www.libraryspot.com/" target="_blank">LibrarySpot.com: Encyclopedias, maps, online libraries, quotations, dictionaries &amp more.</a></strong></p><p><strong><a href="http://www.nrl.navy.mil/" target="_blank">U.S. Naval Research Laboratory</a></strong></p><p></p><p></p><p>I don't know if all of you guys know what a palimpsest is, but this is a very interesting one that is derived from the work of Archimedes that I have been following for years with great interest. I had a better general link for this but it's now dead.</p><p></p><p><strong><a href="http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/archimedes/palimpsest.html" target="_blank">NOVA | Infinite Secrets | The Archimedes Palimpsest | PBS</a></strong></p><p><strong><a href="http://www.archimedespalimpsest.org/" target="_blank">Archimedes Palimpsest</a></strong></p><p></p><p></p><p>For this site you have to register to view (I have an account) but it is extremely good as it allows you to review many of Leonardo's (Da Vinci) less famous and unpublished notes and works. the invention notebooks alone are well worth a visit.</p><p></p><p><strong><a href="http://www.leonardodigitale.com/login.html" target="_blank">Desk di Consultazione</a></strong></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Seems like we agree. This is a thread on this site that I have found very interesting and a good general background source. Gall, I'm posting a link to your thread here.</p><p></p><p><strong><a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/general-rpg-discussion/242110-history-mythology-art-rpgs.html" target="_blank">http://www.enworld.org/forum/general-rpg-discussion/242110-history-mythology-art-rpgs.html</a></strong></p><p></p><p></p><p>Keep up the good work people.</p><p>I'm liking what's turning up.</p><p>Well, I gotta go. Got work to do and I gotta get to sleep.</p><p>Up all night and I ain't a young man anymore.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jack7, post: 4613715, member: 54707"] I don't have a lot of time right now because of the deadline on my paper for the Navy. But I noticed some interesting comments and sources made in this thread and I appreciate them. I think many here will find them useful. That's an interesting observation from my point of view for two reasons. 1. I have also often noticed the similarity between poetic sagas and epic works - and fantasy gaming, it seeming to me that fantasy games are often a sort of [I]"poetic saga"[/I] reenacted, and so it reminds me a lot of a poetic stage-play, with a chief "background" bard or skald who is the DM/GM, and several supporting poets, the players. 2. I have recently come to view, through my work with simulations and Virtual Reality, that RPG gaming is an early form of imaginative (or non-technological, though nowadays technology is overlapping the medium at the edges) Virtual Reality. If mixed in the proper way with other technologies it could have far wider applications than merely gaming. I completely concur with that Ydars and I'm gonna create a thread on that theme, as well as write a paper about it entitled,[I][B] History as Sympathetic Novelty.[/B][/I] By the way, in doing some background research I found out that Tolkien probably developed his idea of the Black Gate to Murder from the Iron Gate separating Eastern Europe from the Byzantine Empire, and that the way Minas Tirith was laid out and arranged was based largely on aspects of Constantinople, as well as other historical cities. Here are some of my useful internet links. I'll post more sources when I get the time but now I'm very busy. These are a mix of history, research, scientific, religious, open source governmental, mapping, military and other such sources. A lot of these sources come from my files and are based on my old contacts but I think each link is probably still valid. If you find a broken link then let me know and I'll correct it. [B]INTERNET SOURCES [url=http://www.romereborn.virginia.edu/]Rome Reborn 2.0[/url] [url=http://www.thebanmappingproject.com/]Theban Mapping Project[/url] [url=http://historymedren.about.com/cs/people/a/aboutwho.htm]Who's Who in Medieval History and the Renaissance[/url] [url=http://www.loc.gov/rr/]For Researchers (Library of Congress)[/url] [url=http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/index.html]Perry-Castañeda Library Map Collection - UT Library Online[/url] [url=http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/byzantium/refdocs.html]Byzantine Reference Documents[/url] [url=http://www.doaks.org/Hagio.html]Hagiography Database - Home[/url] [url=http://www.deremilitari.org/]De Re Militari: The Society for Medieval Military History[/url] [url=http://www.crimeandclues.com/]Crime and Clues[/url] [url=http://www.usdoj.gov/]United States Department of Justice[/url] [url=http://www.usdoj.gov/usncb/]U.S. National Central Bureau of INTERPOL[/url] [url=http://www.necrosearch.com/]NecroSearch International[/url] [url=http://www.usmarshals.gov/]U.S. Marshals Home Page[/url] [url=http://www.cicentre.com/index.html]CI CENTRE | Centre for Counterintelligence and Security Studies--Premiere Counterintelligence, Counterterrorism and Security training, education, awareness, analysis, research and consulting by veteran senior intelligence experts from the FBI, CIA, D[/url] [url=http://www.carlisle.army.mil/]US Army War College[/url] [url=http://www.isis-online.org/]Institute for Science and International Security[/url] [url=http://www.fas.org/irp/doddir/army/]Army Intelligence and Security Doctrine[/url] [url=http://www.darpa.mil/]DARPA | Home[/url] [url=http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/ancient/asbook.html]Internet Ancient History Sourcebook: Main Page[/url] [url=http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~loxias/oldindex.htm]The Classics Pages - Home Page: Main Site Index[/url] [url=http://www.bible-history.com/resource/ww_wwar.htm]Weapons and Warfare in the Ancient World[/url] [url=http://labyrinth.georgetown.edu/]The Labyrinth[/url] [url=http://www.nano.gov/]National Nanotechnology Initiative[/url] [url=http://www.mit.edu/research/]MIT - research[/url] [url=http://www.gbt.org/guide.html]Classical Curriculum Guide[/url] [url=http://www.libraryspot.com/]LibrarySpot.com: Encyclopedias, maps, online libraries, quotations, dictionaries & more.[/url] [url=http://www.nrl.navy.mil/]U.S. Naval Research Laboratory[/url][/B] I don't know if all of you guys know what a palimpsest is, but this is a very interesting one that is derived from the work of Archimedes that I have been following for years with great interest. I had a better general link for this but it's now dead. [B][url=http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/archimedes/palimpsest.html]NOVA | Infinite Secrets | The Archimedes Palimpsest | PBS[/url] [url=http://www.archimedespalimpsest.org/]Archimedes Palimpsest[/url][/B] For this site you have to register to view (I have an account) but it is extremely good as it allows you to review many of Leonardo's (Da Vinci) less famous and unpublished notes and works. the invention notebooks alone are well worth a visit. [B][url=http://www.leonardodigitale.com/login.html]Desk di Consultazione[/url][/B] Seems like we agree. This is a thread on this site that I have found very interesting and a good general background source. Gall, I'm posting a link to your thread here. [B][url]http://www.enworld.org/forum/general-rpg-discussion/242110-history-mythology-art-rpgs.html[/url][/B] Keep up the good work people. I'm liking what's turning up. Well, I gotta go. Got work to do and I gotta get to sleep. Up all night and I ain't a young man anymore. [/QUOTE]
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