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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 5815831" data-attributes="member: 996">A good enough DM can fix anything.  So yeah, if I got a party of narcisists who all decided they wanted to be the 'face,' I suppoe I could craft challenges that wouldn't kill them (too often), and that challenged their combined diplomancy.  Now that you've ended the thousand-year blood-fued between two kingdoms, lets see if you can handle a half-dozen kobolds on the road... no? oh, well, the formerly-fueding kingdoms are happy to pay the kobolds' the ransom for you safe return.  On to the next wildly imbalanced 'challenge' for your wildly imbalanced party...Then again, if you don't want to put your DM (and fellow players) through such silliness, having tools - guidelines really - like roles is handy.Roles would have been nicer if various broad archetypes could be customized to fit any role.  The divine source handles all 4 roles easily.  But the Arcane source lets you make a dedicated caster fill any roll but defender (you gotta pick up a sword for that, sorry).  And, Martial has a blind spot for controller.   If every source could handle every role to it's core archetype, then Role would not be a pigeon-holing isssue, just a party-creation tool.</blockquote>