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<blockquote data-quote="stevelabny" data-source="post: 2816473" data-attributes="member: 9298"><p>Gah. I loved a lot of what DC had done over the past few years:</p><p></p><p>tight continuity (and mostly correct unless your name is Nightwing or Robin) </p><p>interesting personalities for ALL their characters (including the usually boring big 3)</p><p>actions having consequences</p><p>and a feeling of real drama.</p><p></p><p>I was looking forward to Crisis. I was sure they wouldn't mess it up. It started off very well and I never believed theyd be dumb enough to return to the Multiverse and all the mistakes of their past. Even after years of Marvel and DC doing nothing long changing, I was hoping that something would actually happen in Crisis. </p><p></p><p>Apparently, I'm a fool.</p><p></p><p>Dan DiDio and DC didn't just drop the ball, they broke it. </p><p></p><p>Not only did they not go as extreme as I hoped (killing Batman) or as bad as I feared (the Multiverse) they actually managed to find an ending that was WORSE.</p><p></p><p>Re-retconning the entire DC Universe is HORRIBLE. You just spent 20 years trying to get people acclimated to the differences between the pre-Crisis and post-Crisis universe. Now you have a pre-Crisis, post-Crisis, and post-Infinite Crisis universe. For what purpose? To decide which Superman origin is legit? To put Joe Chill in jail? To make Diana the one true Wonder Woman and give her the ridiculous invisible plane back? YIKES.</p><p></p><p>Wonder Woman was the monthly title that benefitted most from the IC buildup storyline, almost doubling in sales, and has now lost all momentum with a 3 month break. Sure a new #1 will get nice sales, but somehow I don't see an civilian idenitity and an invisible plane keeping her interesting the same way being the practical one of the big 3 did. </p><p></p><p>Flash was the considered one of the most dependable monthly books with long runs by Waid and Johns, and Wally had firmly established himself as one of the most important characters in the DCU. He had been around as long as any of them, and had the respect of the the big 3 and has been on the JLA with all the legends. He grew up with the Titans and is Nightwings best friend. And because he is one of the few sidekicks to "graduate" even the youngest generation of heroes look up to him. EVERYONE loves and respects him. So of coure he is missing. </p><p></p><p>DC (and Marvel) keep insisiting that you cant change the "iconic" status of certain characters. That marrying them or moving forward is a bad idea. Yet the one character who's entire personality was based on being an impulsive and fun-loving kid, has been aged "a few years" .</p><p></p><p>So with all the hype of shaking the status-quo, what did we get? Dead Superboy? Dead Earth-2 Superman and Lois? Dead z-listers? Temporarily powerless Clark? And Bruce being back to "normal" as if all of the misdeeds that he's done and that have been done to him never happened and as if he's not human and shouldn't be getting older? </p><p></p><p>The OYL books are bad too. What Robin is up to in Titans is interesting, but of course might undo what JUST happened in Crisis, and Robin is acting so much darker in Titans than his own book, or his goofy sidekick-of-light representation in Batman and Detective. Most of the OYL books havent changed the status quo very much, and the few that have did it in the most nonsenical ways. Black Canary and Oracle not talking after all the time theyve spent building a relationship in Birds of Prey? That is one story, that if you want to write it, you CANNOT have the "breakup" happen "off camera". </p><p></p><p>Between the Infinite Crisis Aftermath, and the continuing reign of Quesada at Marvel (where just last week, he commented on how marrying Spider-man to MJ was the worst thing ever) I think it's almost time for me to give up completely and just find something else to read.</p><p></p><p>And that's sad.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="stevelabny, post: 2816473, member: 9298"] Gah. I loved a lot of what DC had done over the past few years: tight continuity (and mostly correct unless your name is Nightwing or Robin) interesting personalities for ALL their characters (including the usually boring big 3) actions having consequences and a feeling of real drama. I was looking forward to Crisis. I was sure they wouldn't mess it up. It started off very well and I never believed theyd be dumb enough to return to the Multiverse and all the mistakes of their past. Even after years of Marvel and DC doing nothing long changing, I was hoping that something would actually happen in Crisis. Apparently, I'm a fool. Dan DiDio and DC didn't just drop the ball, they broke it. Not only did they not go as extreme as I hoped (killing Batman) or as bad as I feared (the Multiverse) they actually managed to find an ending that was WORSE. Re-retconning the entire DC Universe is HORRIBLE. You just spent 20 years trying to get people acclimated to the differences between the pre-Crisis and post-Crisis universe. Now you have a pre-Crisis, post-Crisis, and post-Infinite Crisis universe. For what purpose? To decide which Superman origin is legit? To put Joe Chill in jail? To make Diana the one true Wonder Woman and give her the ridiculous invisible plane back? YIKES. Wonder Woman was the monthly title that benefitted most from the IC buildup storyline, almost doubling in sales, and has now lost all momentum with a 3 month break. Sure a new #1 will get nice sales, but somehow I don't see an civilian idenitity and an invisible plane keeping her interesting the same way being the practical one of the big 3 did. Flash was the considered one of the most dependable monthly books with long runs by Waid and Johns, and Wally had firmly established himself as one of the most important characters in the DCU. He had been around as long as any of them, and had the respect of the the big 3 and has been on the JLA with all the legends. He grew up with the Titans and is Nightwings best friend. And because he is one of the few sidekicks to "graduate" even the youngest generation of heroes look up to him. EVERYONE loves and respects him. So of coure he is missing. DC (and Marvel) keep insisiting that you cant change the "iconic" status of certain characters. That marrying them or moving forward is a bad idea. Yet the one character who's entire personality was based on being an impulsive and fun-loving kid, has been aged "a few years" . So with all the hype of shaking the status-quo, what did we get? Dead Superboy? Dead Earth-2 Superman and Lois? Dead z-listers? Temporarily powerless Clark? And Bruce being back to "normal" as if all of the misdeeds that he's done and that have been done to him never happened and as if he's not human and shouldn't be getting older? The OYL books are bad too. What Robin is up to in Titans is interesting, but of course might undo what JUST happened in Crisis, and Robin is acting so much darker in Titans than his own book, or his goofy sidekick-of-light representation in Batman and Detective. Most of the OYL books havent changed the status quo very much, and the few that have did it in the most nonsenical ways. Black Canary and Oracle not talking after all the time theyve spent building a relationship in Birds of Prey? That is one story, that if you want to write it, you CANNOT have the "breakup" happen "off camera". Between the Infinite Crisis Aftermath, and the continuing reign of Quesada at Marvel (where just last week, he commented on how marrying Spider-man to MJ was the worst thing ever) I think it's almost time for me to give up completely and just find something else to read. And that's sad. [/QUOTE]
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