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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 9426018" data-attributes="member: 6801228">Except using their intelligence modifier as a DC, which isn't the fixed DC. And they never stated anywhere that no other DC is possible, or that no other modifiers can be added or subtracted.You are pointing at a rule that FINALLY gives us some concrete things to work with, and declaring that WoTC wants a death to all creative play because it didn't explicitly state that the DM who can change any rule in the book, and is constantly told they can change any rule in the book, can change the number of the DC. And I am just looking back in the old 2014 PHB, and seeing every single place where they were vague with this stuff in the past. Like the Jumping rules that let you jump &quot;further&quot; with an athletics check. How much further? What DC? They never told us. And we complained about these things and asked for these DCs constantly.Now they are telling us these things. DC 15 is the standard DC for most checks. And that is a problem for you, because despite the fact you will never once let that stop you from doing whatever you want, you are declaring that it is now impossible for anyone to ever have thought or nuance about these options. And if they hadn't given a DC? If they had just stated &quot;you can use the persuasion skill to influence someone. Full DM discretion on the DC&quot; you would likely be EQUALLY fervent in how lazy they are in putting all the work on the DM and not providing any DCs for us to base things on.Do they seriously need to state, next to every single rule in the entire book &quot;unless your DM decides otherwise&quot;?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 9426018, member: 6801228"] Except using their intelligence modifier as a DC, which isn't the fixed DC. And they never stated anywhere that no other DC is possible, or that no other modifiers can be added or subtracted. You are pointing at a rule that FINALLY gives us some concrete things to work with, and declaring that WoTC wants a death to all creative play because it didn't explicitly state that the DM who can change any rule in the book, and is constantly told they can change any rule in the book, can change the number of the DC. And I am just looking back in the old 2014 PHB, and seeing every single place where they were vague with this stuff in the past. Like the Jumping rules that let you jump "further" with an athletics check. How much further? What DC? They never told us. And we complained about these things and asked for these DCs [I]constantly[/I]. Now they are telling us these things. DC 15 is the standard DC for most checks. And that is a problem for you, because despite the fact you will never once let that stop you from doing whatever you want, you are declaring that it is now impossible for anyone to ever have thought or nuance about these options. And if they hadn't given a DC? If they had just stated "you can use the persuasion skill to influence someone. Full DM discretion on the DC" you would likely be EQUALLY fervent in how lazy they are in putting all the work on the DM and not providing any DCs for us to base things on. Do they seriously need to state, next to every single rule in the entire book "unless your DM decides otherwise"? [/QUOTE]

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