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Message: <blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 9426416" data-attributes="member: 6790260">Great! I want gameplay where strategy and effort actually matter. I don't want "gameplay" (if you can even call it such) that can be entirely summed up with "manipulate the DM into agreement."Both of us can be happy here, so long as we can accept that limiting the game rules to literally nothing whatever except "DM says" is not a viable path forward.Yes, 100%. 5.0 went out of its way to actively piss on 4e ideas, content, and playstyle. The "big tent" did not in any way extend to 4e. 5.5e has done nothing to change this.Weapon masteries would be much closer to weapon properties from 4e, seeing as how several (most?) of them are passive effects, like Graze (damage on a miss), Sap (impose attack disadvantage), Push (no-save forced movement), etc. They aren't the worst thing ever, but it's definitely a day late and a dollar short, if you catch my meaning.Nah. I heard this exact same excuse during and after the D&D Next playtest. First I wasn't allowed to form an opinion because all the classes weren't out yet. Then I wasn't allowed to form an opinion because the "tactical combat module" hadn't come out yet. Then I wasn't allowed to form an opinion because the final packet hadn't come out yet. Then I wasn't allowed to form an opinion because the books weren't out yet. Then I wasn't allowed to form an opinion for 1-2 years after the books had released.I refuse to be told I can't evaluate things as they stand now and make an informed, reasonable opinion. Especially since all the people (numerous people) who told me the above swore I'd change my mind about 5e if I just waited for the newest moved goalpost. Not only did I not do so, I simply saw things get worse and worse.5.5e is 5.0 with some class tweaks and the tiniest of concessions to help make martial characters suck less. It is an edition revision extremely comparable to 3.0→3.5, and WotC refusing to accept that as such is simply a marketing plot to avoid saying true things that upset fans when spoken aloud. It is not, in any way, bringing 4e into the big tent.Call me when they actually add skill challenges or a real Warlord, rather than the $#!†-awful, cadaverous caricatures they've paraded before us in a grotesque pantomime.</blockquote>

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