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<blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 9426606" data-attributes="member: 6790260"><p>Explicitly rejecting the Warlord as a class solely because of "shouting arms back on" and "that's a Bard"? No, I don't think so.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I mean, of course it does. But I have already said how <a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/how-is-5e-like-4e.681629/post-8354225" target="_blank">the vast majority of such things are merely wearing the flayed skin of 4e, rather than actually <em>incorporating</em> it</a>. HD vs Surges, Cantrips vs At-Wills, all sorts of things have the thinnest superficial skin of 4e and then diametrically opposite use and design. Hell, 4e came up with the idea of "Combat Advantage"! And then 5e turned it into the crutch for nearly every "you're a bit better" mechanic <em>ever</em>, diluting its utility into near-uselessness for many characters.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Only because WotC forces them to be. And remember, mayonnaise is oil and water, as is alfredo sauce (well, oil, protein, and water).</p><p></p><p></p><p>Congratulations? Honestly not really sure why you'd care.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="EzekielRaiden, post: 9426606, member: 6790260"] Explicitly rejecting the Warlord as a class solely because of "shouting arms back on" and "that's a Bard"? No, I don't think so. I mean, of course it does. But I have already said how [URL='https://www.enworld.org/threads/how-is-5e-like-4e.681629/post-8354225']the vast majority of such things are merely wearing the flayed skin of 4e, rather than actually [I]incorporating[/I] it[/URL]. HD vs Surges, Cantrips vs At-Wills, all sorts of things have the thinnest superficial skin of 4e and then diametrically opposite use and design. Hell, 4e came up with the idea of "Combat Advantage"! And then 5e turned it into the crutch for nearly every "you're a bit better" mechanic [I]ever[/I], diluting its utility into near-uselessness for many characters. Only because WotC forces them to be. And remember, mayonnaise is oil and water, as is alfredo sauce (well, oil, protein, and water). Congratulations? Honestly not really sure why you'd care. [/QUOTE]
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