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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 9428613" data-attributes="member: 6801228">I do not think you are idealistic to the point of ridiculousness. I also do not think it is not and never will be possible for DnD players to like a system that has mechanics for non-combat challenges. I think it is currently unreasonable to demand something like that, when even a basic system of &quot;start at DC 15&quot; is being torn apart for being too restrictive on DM freedom while simultaneously being torn apart for being not nearly robust enough to give it any mechanical weight. Especially since you keep taking a vague yet harsh tone with everyone, even while some of us were not even clear what you wanted. And I think you are also aware that, even though what you want is skill challenges, saying &quot;I want skill challenges&quot; isn't going to get positive results from this community on EnWorld. Even though, I would completely agree with you that skill challenges, especially for social situations, make for a great framing device.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 9428613, member: 6801228"] I do not think you are idealistic to the point of ridiculousness. I also do not think it is not and never will be possible for DnD players to like a system that has mechanics for non-combat challenges. I think it is currently unreasonable to demand something like that, when even a basic system of "start at DC 15" is being torn apart for being too restrictive on DM freedom while simultaneously being torn apart for being not nearly robust enough to give it any mechanical weight. Especially since you keep taking a vague yet harsh tone with everyone, even while some of us were not even clear what you wanted. And I think you are also aware that, even though what you want is skill challenges, saying "I want skill challenges" isn't going to get positive results from this community on EnWorld. Even though, I would completely agree with you that skill challenges, especially for social situations, make for a great framing device. [/QUOTE]

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