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<blockquote data-quote="rkanodia" data-source="post: 1297607" data-attributes="member: 11681"><p>How about spells with temporary effects?</p><p></p><p><em>Infuse with law</em></p><p>Transmutation (law)</p><p><strong>Level</strong>: ??</p><p><strong>Components</strong>: V, S, M</p><p><strong>Casting time</strong>: 1 standard action</p><p><strong>Range</strong>: Short</p><p><strong>Target</strong>: One creature</p><p><strong>Duration</strong>: 1 minute/level or instantaneous (see text)</p><p><strong>Saving throw</strong>: Will negates (see text)</p><p><strong>Spell Resistance</strong></p><p></p><p>This spell infuses the target with lawful energy from the Outer Planes, granting it the axiomatic template (as from Manual of the Planes). Its appearance visibly alters with the change; hair straightens and neatens, scales become regularly-shaped and interlacing as though manufactured, and so forth. For purposes of HD-dependent abilities, use your caster level in place of the creature's hit dice. If the creature targeted is neutral or chaotic, the lawful energy does not bind properly, and the spell is wasted. Creatures that already possess the axiomatic template have their <em>smite chaos</em> ability renewed for the day, but are otherwise unaffected by the spell.</p><p></p><p>So what level should this be? The SR granted by Spell Resistance (a 5th-level spell) is 12 + caster level, which (assuming this spell is going to come out as a reasonably high-level spell) is not too far from 2*caster level (max 25), so let's start by saying that portion alone is 'almost as good as a fifth-level spell'.</p><p></p><p>Next we look at the darkvision granted by the template, which emulates a 2nd-level spell - but the 2nd-level spell lasts one hour per level, as opposed to one minute. </p><p></p><p>Energy Resistance, wow, this one is really broad, and not too shabby. It's basically 20 resistance against everything but acid. <em>infuse with law</em> has a short duration, and its effect is somewhere in between four <em>resist energy</em> spells (2nd level) and four <em>protection from elements</em> (3rd level) spells.</p><p></p><p>Including Smite Chaos and Linked Minds, I'd have to put this spell at 7th or probably 8th level. Maybe a better way to handle it would be as a series of caster level-independent spells (<em>lesser law infusion</em>, <em>law infusion</em>, <em>greater law infusion</em>) which grant the abilities of the template at a fixed HD. I don't think it's broken for, say, a fifth-level caster to be able to give you darkvision, Spell Resistance 6, resistance 5 vs fire, cold, electricity, and sonics, and a five-point smite. The problem is when a 13th level caster can give you darkvision, spell resistance 25, resistance 20 vs fire, cold, electricity, and sonics, and a 15-point smite using a third-level slot.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="rkanodia, post: 1297607, member: 11681"] How about spells with temporary effects? [i]Infuse with law[/i] Transmutation (law) [b]Level[/b]: ?? [b]Components[/b]: V, S, M [b]Casting time[/b]: 1 standard action [b]Range[/b]: Short [b]Target[/b]: One creature [b]Duration[/b]: 1 minute/level or instantaneous (see text) [b]Saving throw[/b]: Will negates (see text) [b]Spell Resistance[/b] This spell infuses the target with lawful energy from the Outer Planes, granting it the axiomatic template (as from Manual of the Planes). Its appearance visibly alters with the change; hair straightens and neatens, scales become regularly-shaped and interlacing as though manufactured, and so forth. For purposes of HD-dependent abilities, use your caster level in place of the creature's hit dice. If the creature targeted is neutral or chaotic, the lawful energy does not bind properly, and the spell is wasted. Creatures that already possess the axiomatic template have their [i]smite chaos[/i] ability renewed for the day, but are otherwise unaffected by the spell. So what level should this be? The SR granted by Spell Resistance (a 5th-level spell) is 12 + caster level, which (assuming this spell is going to come out as a reasonably high-level spell) is not too far from 2*caster level (max 25), so let's start by saying that portion alone is 'almost as good as a fifth-level spell'. Next we look at the darkvision granted by the template, which emulates a 2nd-level spell - but the 2nd-level spell lasts one hour per level, as opposed to one minute. Energy Resistance, wow, this one is really broad, and not too shabby. It's basically 20 resistance against everything but acid. [i]infuse with law[/i] has a short duration, and its effect is somewhere in between four [i]resist energy[/i] spells (2nd level) and four [i]protection from elements[/i] (3rd level) spells. Including Smite Chaos and Linked Minds, I'd have to put this spell at 7th or probably 8th level. Maybe a better way to handle it would be as a series of caster level-independent spells ([i]lesser law infusion[/i], [i]law infusion[/i], [i]greater law infusion[/i]) which grant the abilities of the template at a fixed HD. I don't think it's broken for, say, a fifth-level caster to be able to give you darkvision, Spell Resistance 6, resistance 5 vs fire, cold, electricity, and sonics, and a five-point smite. The problem is when a 13th level caster can give you darkvision, spell resistance 25, resistance 20 vs fire, cold, electricity, and sonics, and a 15-point smite using a third-level slot. [/QUOTE]
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