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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Shadowlore" data-source="post: 2628841" data-attributes="member: 9509">Ah, you are correct, a penalty it is.  My mistake. The table on PHB 193 says damage, but after looking the text says penalty. But wait, I think it is meant to be damage: "the  subjects strength score can not drop below 1".If it is a penalty and not strength damage, this last line is irrelevant, is it not? After all,  penalty does not affect your score, just your rolls.Still, a maximized RoEnfeeblement is nothing to snicker at, even at mid-levels, IMO. If it is a penalty it is  in a way much more nasty. Instead of a 6point "hit" dropping your bonus down 3 points (or resulting in a 3 point "penalty"), now it's the full 6 points. For a first level spell I'd be inclined to say it does str damage. Strength damage is half as powerful as a straight strength penalty. Otherwise what caster (or artificer) worth his salt (and with access) does not have this one ready? Drop an opponents melee attack and damage by 6 points at first level? Hell yeah! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> Among those who can use one, who doesn't want a wand of that? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> On the other hand, doing str damage means their movement slows if they wind up having armor/equipment to heavy for them. /me runs off to WoTC site  .... nope, no mention of this in the errata. Maybe it isn't used by very many people and hasn't been brought to their attention. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />We are just now getting to Eberron, having lived in the Diamond Throne for the last year and a half or so. Artificer is the first PC (well of two simultaneous PCs) I'm playing in it. I'm not going the massive damage "blastificer" route, but I do plan to sneak this little gem in on my DM (hope he's not reading this) when I get Craft Wand. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> Now that's a way to let the Soulknife, Monk, and Ranger kick more bootay (by taking less damage in melee).</blockquote>

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